Ever accuracy test a 76?

[Barry in IN]

Just wonderin'.
Since I've had mine, I've thought about clamping it down and seeing how it would REALLY shoot.

Someday, I'll make some sort of V-block jig to clamp it in, then clamp that to a bench, and shoot a few groups. If it's locked down good and tight, I wouldn't think it would do too bad. I've got a couple of barrels and quite an assortment of 9mm I can try.

Just wondering if anyone has tested such a thing. Not sure why, but curious anyway.

[fuautos]

Whe you get around to the test. Don't be disappointed if your gun changes of point of impact on every other shot. You got keep in mind that the S&W 76 is not indexed and barrel is held in place by the shroud. Thus the barrel tends to move around when shot. Just an observation.

Fuautos:heavy

[SubGunFan]

Here are the results of a "quickie" test I did a few months ago. I just used a cheap rest and was shooting on semi.

I have shot my 76 out to 200 yards offhand, and was pleased with its "accuracy" at that distance.

SubGunFan

[fuautos]

Thanks! SubGunFan!

The proof is in the pudding! That's at 25yds! That's at least a 4 1/2" group or more pattern. Image at 50yds! I will run my own test with my Swedish k at 25yds and at 50yds. using the Winchester 9mm wally world ammo. The Swedish k will defenitely smoke the S&W76 in accuarcy any time of the day. The Swedish k barrel is indexed also. That's why it is said that Smith & Wesson developed their "model 76", which is loosely based on the Swedish k m/45. I will post a follow up with pic's. I will hear it from others on this site. That Subguns aren't tack drivers. I got to say some are and anything helps. One shot one target neutralized. Everyshot counts especially when shooting IPCS style subgun matches.

Fuautos :heavy

[SubGunFan]

fuautos:

I am not saying the 76 is the most accurate SMG, I just feel it is better than most in its stock setup.

Yes, I have heard the K is a very accurate SMG. I would really like to see the results of your testing. Are you going to use the original sights or optics?

True the 76's barrel in not indexed which I admit is one of its few shortcomings... And with all open-bolt SMGs, you have to deal with the bolt drop.

SubGunFan

[fuautos]

I feel that the Swedish k is the best open bolt stock gun there is. Everything that the S&W76 lacks it has.

I will be doing the test open sights on a rest and off hand. At both 25yds. & 50yds.

Hell! I shot clay pigeons at 50yds. with my Swedish k practice barrel with the BB practice ammo.

Fuautos:heavy

[Kim]

Heck yeah, it's there...I can bounce a coffee can all over the 80 yard back stop at the pit I shoot at (maybe not every single shot) but at least 80% of my magazine. Not too bad for a open bolt SMG. The only SMG that was more accurate than my S&W M76 SMG was my registered receiver MP5 I had years and years ago.

If you're sighting your M76 in, just make sure you're VERY careful about moving the front blade up or down, it MAY crack on you if you're too forceful with it...but, it can be sighted in.

Again, thanks to the owner of this board for making a "home" for all of us M76 "junkies". It's great to talk "shop" with all of you out there.

Kimbo...out.

[fuautos]

If the S&W76 is such a great and accurate gun? Why would you be wanting to trade it for a Imgran 6 Kim? HHMMMMMMMM! Save yourself some grief and get it over with and get a Swedish k! It would bring you to your senses.

LOL ;)
Fuautos:heavy

[Kim]

...with you. I've had Swedish "K"s before and they're a great gun. I just like to own ORIGINAL machineguns, I'm not too fond of "tube guns", although they're the closest thing we can come to real live ones. It's just my preference. An original Swedish "K" is truly an unobtainable investment for me. I don't have $15,000.

If I had more than one SMG, I'd keep the S&W M76 SMG (for sure) and get a M6...but unfortunately, I only have one SMG, the M76 and that' all I have for "tradin' fodder" to get another SMG.

I may just end up keeping it. After all, it's just an "itch" and an "itch" can be "scratched" just by finding someone who has one and get a chance to run a few mags out of it and "test-drive" it to see if that's what I want INSTEAD of my M76.

Thanks for your response and input...I appreciate it. Kimbo...out.

[Barry in IN]

Thanks for the responses.

SubGunFan-
That looks like a pretty good group to me. That slammimg bolt probably disturbs my aim by that much from shot to shot!

That's why I want to make a jig to lock mine into for this little experiment. Nothing fancy, just scrap wood. I figure if it consisted of a pair of V-blocks, a "stop" to register the back of the tube against, then lock the 76 down with a strap-type clamp it'll be fairly solid. Clamp that to the bench with C-clamps, and start shooting.

I did a similar test with a Mac11/9 about 15 years ago. I was limited to a 15 yard range, but got a lot of groups in the 1-1/4" range. Nothing spectacular, but better than many people would probably expect.
Lots of one-hole four shot groups with a flyer a little bit out.
It seemed to prefer the Hornady 124 FMJ flat point by the way.

About the non-indexed barrel-
I've not noticed much, if any, barrel rotation on my 76. I marked it with a line (Sharpie marker) that is visible through the shroud holes so I could watch for it. I have to retrace it now and then.
Then again, I usually don't run more than about 250 rounds through it at a time. Maybe more would cause some movement.

I'm certain that much movement of the barrel would open up groups on mine, however. Soon after getting mine, I found that I could alter the point of impact to a degree by rotating the barrel. I don't recall how much, but it was pretty obvious.
That's why I marked the barrel to begin with. Once I found "the spot", I wanted to keep it.

I'm glad I found out about that before I started bending on the front sight!

[M60joe]

Originally posted by fuautos
I feel that the Swedish k is the best open bolt stock gun there is. Everything that the S&W76 lacks it has.

I will be doing the test open sights on a rest and off hand. At both 25yds. & 50yds.

Hell! I shot clay pigeons at 50yds. with my Swedish k practice barrel with the BB practice ammo.

Fuautos:heavy

:boohoo

[fuautos]

You only wish you could find a k. You have to settle for a knock off k the S&W 76.

LOL
Fuautos
:overkill

[M60joe]

Originally posted by fuautos
You only wish you could find a k. You have to settle for a knock off k the S&W 76.

LOL
Fuautos



I have a knock off the k - knock off the SW 76 a MK760 !

;)

[Brian Ski]

Originally posted by fuautos
You only wish you could find a k. You have to settle for a knock off k the S&W 76.

LOL
Fuautos


Hey Luis.... Did your get the latest issue of SAR?????

[stymie]

:cool

http://www.smallarmsreview.com/images/V8N7index.jpg

[Kim]

...could you scan that article and post a link for us so we can download it and copy it off for our use? Or is that illegal?

[fuautos]

It's no brainer :confused the Swedish k :buttkick the living :bull out of the S&W76.


:poke
Fuautos

[SubGunFan]

I just got finished reading the "Swedish K vs S&W 76" article in the current edition of SAR, and............

It appears the K does have the advantage with slower ROF and adjustable sights, however.......

Its all talk and hear-say if you can't find one, and if you did, you will need a "Bill Gates wallet" to bring that puppy home. CONSTRUCTION - What ever FA you "invest" in, you want/need to take care of it. With the 76's design that allows disassembly of almost all parts and the heavy wall receiver tube, the 76 will "protect your investment".

The article gave the "advantage" nod to the K for magazines and accessories. If your K is a M45 and not a M45B or M45C, true you can use the drums and coffin mags. As with accessories, the K's only advantage is the K had them first. The most useful K accessories, the mag speedloader & stripper clips, can also be used with the 76.

And the 76 is a lighter and "feels better" than the K. Plus the 76 has semi-auto fire when needed...

I feel that if Smith&Wesson had put a little more design effort into adjustable sights and an indexed barrel, the 76 designers would have obtained all of their goals to produce a greatly improved SMG to replace the K.

Bottom line, both are excellent SMGs.

SubGunFan

[Brian Ski]

Did win but barely.....????

It said the Swedish K is very accurate and the 76 is a alternative....