Wolf, Brown Bear, Golden Bear, etc...

[verbaltharhino]

Anyone use any of the cheap stuff on a regular basis? I know Vector tests the guns with Wolf, but I still shy away from it. Looking for some Uzi-only cheap stuff for a get-together and want to make sure it will work OK. Thanks in advance.

[carcass]

Wolf 9mm will not run my FA UZI with the semi feed ramp. Wolf .45 works great in it, though.

[pmf]

I have absolutely no problem using Wolf in my full size uzi (no semi feed ramp). I've also shot other Russian such as Barnaul and Brown Bear with the same results. All Russian ammo is pretty much the same. Its got a coating and smells funny. The Wolf is steel case. I can't recall if Barnaul or Brown Bear is.

There's nothing wrong with Wolf ammo. This story about the coating gumming up your gun is an old wives tale from what I can tell. I've shot thousands of rounds of Wolf in my uzi with no problems. The newer Wolf 9mm has a different coating that seems thinner.

For $99/case, and often cheaper, its a deal. I got Barnaul from the ammunitionstore.com for around 8 cents a round delivered a while back.

I suppose the other alternative is the WalMart Winchester White box that works out to around $110/case (taxes negate shipping). Its decent ammo too, but I hate WalMart and refuse to shop at that place.

Its an uzi, not a HK, you don't have to baby it.

[verbaltharhino]

ammunitionstore.com is about 10mi away from me, so all my bulk purchases are done there. I have an SA Uzi, so if anyone else has any input from that point of view, I'd appreciate it. I'd hate to buy a case of ammo I can't use.

Thanks for the input!

[pmf]

Originally posted by verbaltharhino
ammunitionstore.com is about 10mi away from me,

Oh man, you lucky dog.

They sell ammo by the box. Buy a couple of boxes and see if it works.

Cheap ammo is less of an issue with a semi.

[raffica]

IIRC< wolf ammo problems stem from trying to shoot it in HK's w/fluted chambers. The coating sticks to the flutes & causes problems. shooting buddy & I have put several K of wold through FA uzi's, with no semi-ramp. no problem whatever, aside from payin for the ammo.. though I do have a barrel that doesn't run well with the 145gr subsonic. with the hollow point. remember Uzi's (FA) were designed to eat battlefield pickup ammo. anything, anywhere, anytime.

[Brian Ski]

I have usually have been shooting wolf in my full auto/ full size... Not a jam and runs great.... Haven't shot much of it, only couple thousand rounds thru it...

[verbaltharhino]

Thanks everyone!

[prebans]

Originally posted by pmf
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There's nothing wrong with Wolf ammo. This story about the coating gumming up your gun is an old wives tale from what I can tell. I've shot thousands of rounds of Wolf in my uzi with no problems. The newer Wolf 9mm has a different coating that seems thinner.

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Its an uzi, not a HK, you don't have to baby it.

Wold can cause problems in "higher end" (note the quotes) guns like the AR15 and HK guns. If you're dealing with something with ridiculous tolerances, that lacquer can cause some real issues.

If you're dealing with a firearm made for combat and little cleaning, the lacquer isn't an issue.

I have personally seen two AR15's (.223) suffer from a cartridge getting lacquered stuck in the chamber and have heard tales of similar problems with the HK fluting. Conversely, I have a friend that SWEARS that his SAR-1 has "solided up" (shoots better) since switching to Wolf-- and he credits the lacquer "filling up the gaps." (Yeah, he was using brass commercial headstamp 7.62x39 out of a SAR-1...)

I can't speak to whether or not lacquer helps crap guns, but I can tell you from personal observation and experience that it DOESN'T help stuff with ridiculously high tolerances. :)

Mike

[usbp29]

on the other hand jammes up a bit being, but i dont have a semi-feed ramp...The subsonic seems to be sub going through my can.

[Samuel_Hoggson]

IME, the problem with lacquer in the 16 has less to do with tolerances than it does with heat. If you're going to have a stoppage it'll be after the gun's had a coupla mag dumps and you ease off the trigger midway through the third. I cannot make Wolf Polymer (same steel-cased Russian ammo - but a different case finish) stick in this situation........have tried multiple times.

Back to Uzis - 150 rounds or so of 9mm just doesn't get the barrel hot enough to make lacquer melt.

Sam

[Fr8 Dawg]

I use wolf 9mm in the mini and the full sized FA and it runs ok. I did notice that I got some variance in cyclic rate once during firing. But no malfunctions of any kind. I don't have the feed ramp installed.

[carcass]

In my AR-15 and my Robinson M-96. both with 5.56 x45 chambers, I have had problems with Wolf .223, but ONLY when heatign up the gun.

What happens to me sometimes is that rapidly fir a lot of rounds heats the barrel up (obviously). Then if you allow the gun to sit a bit and then chamber a round (while still hot), the hot chamber will melt the coating. If the gun's not fired immediately, the lacquer will harden a bit and 'glue' the round into the chamber. Then I have to hammer on the charging handle to extract the round.

Also, in my M96, small bits of the coating get carried down the barrel and into the gas system. I have found congealed chunks of the coating stuck to the op rod, and they are hard to remove (I use a dental pick and lots of swearing). If I get that sort of build-up in my M96's gas piston, I can only imagine what the inside of my AR's gas tube looks like.

I really don't have many complaints about the Wolf ammo, you just have to be diligent in cleaning the weapon afterward, because high-volume shooting will lead to melted coating build-up.

[Brian Ski]

Originally posted by carcass
In my AR-15 and my Robinson M-96. both with 5.56 x45 chambers, I have had problems with Wolf .223, but ONLY when heatign up the gun.

I really don't have many complaints about the Wolf ammo, you just have to be diligent in cleaning the weapon afterward, because high-volume shooting will lead to melted coating build-up.

I agree with high volume shooting can cause problems... But I think it is only in rifle calibers...Because they get hotter.... And stuck cases in closed bolt rifles... Because the round is sitting in a hot chamber cooling.... But with pistol rounds I don't see a problem...

I can also see plugging up the gas system in a rifle....

[drw]

I use Wolf 9mm, one-case-at a time, FA with semi-feed ramp and have never had an ammo caused problem. The only ammo that my Uzi has had problems with is the Silver Bear, 145gr, hollow point. This was purchased to run thru the suppressor and I continuously had failures to feed. The GoldenBear is a similar ammo in profile to the SilverBear, so I haven't tried it.

[lkblair]

I only use steel cased ammo on my Russian weapons, AK47 and my Makarov, oh yea, and my Nagant M44. The WWB from Wallyworld is cheap enough and it is soft, sexy brass + it is US made.



I like Russian Ammo
but for some reason I have never bought it for any of my other weapons.


I think it might hurt my internal extractor Inglis, would it?

[rfurtkamp]

No problems with Wolf in my SA Uzi carbine or any of my other 9mms (and I have about 30ish now).

The newer stuff is not lacquer coated and the polymer doesn't have its problems even in my Carbon 15 pistol, king of melting the Wolf lacquer off if I dump half a Beta mag and stop. ;)

The Wolf 9mm isn't loaded as wimpy as the WWB stuff - and thus, the big bolt blowback guns of mine seem to run on it better.

As far as hurting your internal extractor Inglis, I run Wolf through my 1938-dated P-35 all the time without incident.