MINI Uzi build

[suka5168]

Here is a $19.99 Group Ind. S/N reciever from D&D being made into a Mini Carbine UZI. Reciecer as came from D&D was in the white with a white coating of some sort. a few weeks has made a lite layer of rust in the tropical climate.

[suka5168]

reciever being cut....

[suka5168]

drilling and filing the sear holes & ejector slot....

[suka5168]

completed bottom view...

[dmsdog]

How wide are the slices that are removed?

[suka5168]

US trunion in the white...

[suka5168]

Trunion milled, skeletonized, and blued...

[suka5168]

DMSDOG,
Cant remember but it was posted in a previous thread a few months back , by myself and a few other members...
It had most or all the measurments needed to cut the reciever.

[suka5168]

cutting the holes...

[Brian Ski]

Somebody is doing some good work.... Don't loose interest... You are getting there....

BTW do you blue before you weld??? I thought you weld unfinished parts and finish later???

[cvasqu03]

awsome work. Please keep posting.

The mini UZI doesn't have the blocking bar right? Hmm, is it easier to weld up the Mini receiver than the full size?

[suka5168]

I just blued it for the fun og it first. I'll grind off the area to be weld when the time comes..

The mini does not have a blocking bar, but the back plate is different (which I got from Rex at Vector) from the full sized.
Right now i running into some aligment problems with the Trunion and the feed ramp along with the top cover.
I should write a full summary after i have completed the whole thing... WISH ME LUCK...

BTW i have no shop and is doing things with some basic hand tools, Dremel and drill. :(

[Brian Ski]

Originally posted by suka5168
BTW i have no shop and is doing things with some basic hand tools, Dremel and drill. :(

It looked like some basic tools, but your work looks great.... I think Vector had a lot of problems with barrel aligning and keeping everything square.... Just take your time and clamp well...

[chrisp929]

this is SO cool .. keep up the great work and post MORE pictures !

[akkid]

Lets keep this at the top of the page.

[droog]

Can you hook a tape measure on the end of the receiver and give us the measurement to each cut?

[suka5168]

here is the rear section. Notice that the GI recievers are really out of specs...I had made the jig from a solid peice of brass and a drawing i had measured out....The sight post will need to be bent or smashed to fit the correct specs...

[droog]

Could you maybe put it in a press and squish it down alittle?

[suka5168]

This was a brand new UZI full sized Top cover ordered from CDNN still in the grease.

[suka5168]

This is the Model B sights that didnt fit into the Model A sight base. I rewelded a plate over the original hole.

[suka5168]

Most of the component cut ready to be welded... Still some aligment problems to tweak.

Notice.....
The aligment bar/rod is thru the trunion, ramp, and rear aligment jig.... 19" barrel at top.. Bolt, Striker Assembly, and Op Spring w/ buffer....

Droog,
Ruler is pic'd, most of the measurment are in a previous tread..

[cookie]

Great job so far. :thumbs_up

[Brian Ski]

Originally posted by cookie
Great job so far. :thumbs_up

I agree... You are doing great.... Are you going to TIG weld it??? Doing it yourself or passing it to someone else????

[suka5168]

Going to Weld it MeSelf.. Just bought a Lincoln 135 MIG welder that was a floor Demo for a good price, but dont have any CO2 Gas (just to expensive) . So it will be Flux welded. Can always clean up the splatters.

Mostly done with all the major cutting and need to grind some of them to meet up and join with each other. Still need to find a rear leaf spring for the sight/cover catch.

[Brian Ski]

Originally posted by suka5168
Going to Weld it MeSelf.. Just bought a Lincoln 135 MIG welder that was a floor Demo for a good price, but dont have any CO2 Gas (just to expensive) . So it will be Flux welded. Can always clean up the splatters.

Mostly done with all the major cutting and need to grind some of them to meet up and join with each other. Still need to find a rear leaf spring for the sight/cover catch.

I have got a mig with gas... About 3 times better than the flux core... Seems to get the flux in the weld.... And you have to do chipping of the flux to reweld or finish.... But like my old teacher told me... "Do the best with what your got"...

I guess the TIG is the way to go... But that is to expensive for me for now...

[suka5168]

Its all ready for Gas , but cant afford to buy a tank and buy the Co2 or Ag.

[suka5168]

Made my Barrel shroud...

Its some kind of heavy plasticlike material such as for skateboard wheels... bored out snugly to fit the UZI barrel..

[suka5168]

For Measurment and other Stuff of intrest related to this build see link:

http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9964

[suka5168]

ANYONE WITH THESE MEASURMENTS IN MILIMETERS !!!

R & F

Please.....
:( :(

[Brian Ski]

Now this is from a conversion chart... Rear is 48MM.... Front is 97MM. It should be quite close... Within a few thousands....

[Brian Ski]

Originally posted by suka5168
ANYONE WITH THESE MEASURMENTS IN MILIMETERS !!!

R & F

Please.....
:( :(

BTW here is a conversion link (http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/inches-mm-conversion-19_751.html)

[suka5168]

Thanks Brain,
MM seems easier to work with than inches... I used 2.54 conversion (i think).
As i dont have a caliper..

[droog]

Got a pic of your lower?

[suka5168]

http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=86269

[droog]

Looks like you plan on making more than one.:D

[droog]

What would it take to get you to part with one those lowers?:)

[az_gun_nut]

Nice work Suka! I think I recognize one of those lowers?

[suka5168]

Originally posted by az_gun_nut
Nice work Suka! I think I recognize one of those lowers?

The very left one is yours..:D I striped it and redid the whole thing in a new automotive black. The quality is really noticeable poorer than the IMI's... :( even on the trigger pull.
But it does work fine

Droog,
I've got 5 Uzi with only the four lowers to go around.
Sorry.

[az_gun_nut]

Originally posted by suka5168

Droog,
I've got 5 Uzi with only the four lowers to go around.
Sorry.

Sounds like an arsenal to me.... ;)

[droog]

Well I had to try.:D 5 huh lets see thats one for each hand and one for each foot and one for ...aah....one for a spare.:cool

[cvasqu03]

Originally posted by suka5168
... The quality is really noticeable poorer than the IMI's... :( even on the trigger pull.
But it does work fine ...



Was it a Norinco?

Just noticed two disconnectors seem to be made of brass? Homemade?

[az_gun_nut]

Yep it was a Norinco lower.

[suka5168]

Just welded and ground the Top Cover today.

[suka5168]

A full sized reciever is now welded together as a Mini.
Top cover is a perfect fit. waiting for all the weld up parts to be put on.

[suka5168]

Pre assembled with all the external parts.
It has the barrel alighment bar thru the feed ramp / Trunion / rear jig & the entire lenth of the inside

[Brian Ski]

Originally posted by suka5168
Pre assembled with all the external parts.
It has the barrel alighment bar thru the feed ramp / Trunion / rear jig & the entire lenth of the inside

Don't know about the wires, but the rest look spretty good.:D

[droog]

nice. Did You make your own alignment rod?

[suka5168]

The Jig was Home made. The Alighment bar was purchased from a fellow board member after he didnt have a use for it.

[Funker]

So will you have to roll the lip back on the topcover were the ejection port is?

[suka5168]

Still trying to figure out that part.....It still needs a slight channel to be cut before folding...

[droog]

That alignment rod looks like its nothing more than a steel bar with a couple of steps turned on it Correct?

[suka5168]

Welding a fire selector block for the SMG lower with a 8mm lug mount hole.

[suka5168]

Yes the alighment bar is a steel rod that is stepped. It a nice piece of tooling if you are to make the Uzi from weld up parts.

Here is a scrap piece of door L bracket , being cut for the selector block.

[Brian Ski]

Originally posted by suka5168
Welding a fire selector block for the SMG lower with a 8mm lug mount hole.

And I thought my guns were dirty!!!!!

[droog]

How did you solve the out of spec problem on the rear end of your receiver? I just picked up mine and it is like yours the back isnt quite right.:(

[droog]

Are the 3 holes on the rear where you weld the blocking bar?

[chrisp929]

Originally posted by droog
Are the 3 holes on the rear where you weld the blocking bar?

YEP ...

[droog]

I been stareing at this receiver for 2 days now trying to decide if I want to chop it up to mini spec or go full size.Damn this is a toughy.To chop or not to chop.Im still looking around for a kit where I aint going to be ass raped.Seems like it is not possible anymore.

[suka5168]

Not to worry mate ! I've been collecting parts for the past year or so. It has certainly come close if not more than a NIB Vector @ $550. Its for the shear intrest of building one not to save $$.

As you may know that there arnt many parts in the SMG kits that are usable in building a semi 922r Uzi unless you have access to some serious milling/ fab tools and swaping part for USA made.

Many people prior have given up on a build, so I'd thought I do a step by step process for the UZITALK board. It is also helpful to have a copy of the D&D weld up process booklet in hand , which shows the step in detail pictures.

[suka5168]

this is how the triggered lower is attached to the mini frames..
Unlike the full size , which has a slot stamped, the mini has a housing welded to the frame....

[chrisp929]

im VERY proud of you suka .. and id be VERY proud myself if i were you .. GOOD job .. cant WAITE till its done and i hope it works like a sewing machine ..

[droog]

Is this front mount something that has to fabed or can it be bought?Im not looking to save money either as its easier for me to come up with $100 here and there than it is to come up with what they want for a vektor which Im thinking is more than $550 now Closer to $650.Besides Ive built about a dozen AKs a couple of Fals and too many bolt guns to even think about so I thought I would try something else.

[cookie]

Originally posted by suka5168
...Many people prior have given up on a build, so I'd thought I do a step by step process for the UZITALK board...

We really appreciate it. :thumbs_up

[suka5168]

SMG sear cut to Semi Mini sear
notice it only has one pad ..

Right is a full sized semi sear two pads...

[suka5168]

Here a range report of the Little UZI,

Place 5 rds in mag as per range rules. Run about a half box of CCI 9mm Blazers. It run flawlessly with no hick-up, jams of misfires, ,, 100% prefect operation..

Now i just need work on a paint job... any recomadations?
I am unable to get any of the Chemicals such as Norrel or Accu...They are unable to be ship to HI... And not a Gun shop here stockes them either....

[suka5168]

another pic, the stock is held in place by a regular bolt as i need to take it of for a paint job.. the sling and E washer is still in the parts box.

The Orange color is automotive primer showing thru the spray paint. :(

[suka5168]

The 922r USA compliance parts are Reciever, Trunion, Disconnector, Pistol Grip, Operating Rod....also Mag follower

Pending maybe a US Trigger provided Rex at Vector can supply me with a prototype....

Thanks to all that supplied me with the Parts, Info, and the board space...

[droog]

You will have to order the Moly resin from Norrel. I have had good luck on AKs using Duplicolor engine paint and baking in the wifes oven for a couple of hours. You can get that at Wally World or any auto parts place.As with any finish make sure you clean everything really good and wipe down with acetone or laquare thinner before spraying.

[Brian Ski]

Hey that looks really good... Congrats on completing the mission... A lot of people gave up long before this far...

[suka5168]

Boy, it was hard work.. time and labour wise , matching the sawed off parts together..... No wonder Vector charges $1000 to cut a full to mini...But i was sure worth the fun and excitement. I looking forward to doing another one.....
Not to forget that i only had the Basic B&D Drill , $29 grinder, $1.99 hack saw, a dremal tool, one single lonely hand file, and a cheap Flux MIG welder..


Want your RR full size cut :D too bad im not an C2/FFL/SOT hehe

Anyone hiring part time work? :) (REX @ VECTOR)

[Brian Ski]

Originally posted by suka5168
Anyone hiring part time work? :) (REX @ VECTOR)

I think a few of the gun guys are hiring... But I would not show up with your box of tools!!!!!!

[suka5168]

Originally posted by Brian Ski
I think a few of the gun guys are hiring... But I would not show up with your box of tools!!!!!!

Really want a P/T summer job to learn more about the Industry and being everyone is swamp with production it sure looks promising ....I dought any of my Snap-On tools can be used to make Firearms....

[Funker]

Considering the tools you used . I'm impressed!!!!!!
Nice job!!!!!!!!

[cookie]

Excellent job. :beer

[Z06]

Very nice job.:D

[suka5168]

Just getting it refinished ...... sanded off all the orange stuff and painted it with a Duplicolor baked finish...

It looks as good as the IMI satin finish...
Photo to come

[suka5168]

Id say the BITCHIEST part of the whole project was to drill the front sight hole and rear sight mount hole.. welded over and drill out about 4 -5 times due to misalligments.

Even drilled out & rewelded the Trunion yesterday to fix a slightly uneven tilt within the reciever..

[Vegas SMG]

Given the tools you had available, VERY, VERY impressive! I'm too lazy an unskilled to even think of undertaking something even half this complicated. Thanks for documenting the build and sharing your progress with all of us.

'Ya done good! REAL GOOD!:bow

[suka5168]

Stripped , back in the white ready to be painted AGAIN.

[cvasqu03]

Awsome job dude.

A couple of questions: How'd you strip the paint off? Man, that looks almost like a chromed finish!

I notice it has a serial number. Since you started with a folded stamping, I assume it was never logged anywhere as a firearm. Do you have to submit any paperwork when you make your own like this?

Does Duplicolor come in a spray can or do you need to use a sprayer?

[droog]

duplicolor comes in spray cans at Wally World.You can get it in a bunch of colors.

[cvasqu03]

Couple more questions.

How did you compensate for the out of spec receiver when welding the backplate & rear sights?

What did you do to match up with the ejection port on the top cover?

[suka5168]

How'd you strip the paint off?
Wire brush attachment of the grinder... it was fast. and the inside i used the dremel tool..

This was a $19.99 Group reg'd semi reciever so it was FFL as a firearm already to me, acually it was easyier to get the other side out of spec rather than getting the odd side to spec. using a Vise Grip and table vise.

All of the cutting and welding was from example & post on this site (thanks Cookie) most other times it was questa-mation and rough eyeball... I didn't have a caliper or high tech gizmo and just a POS ruler in Cm

:D

[cvasqu03]

Originally posted by suka5168
All of the cutting and welding was from example & post on this site (thanks Cookie) most other times it was questa-mation and rough eyeball... I didn't have a caliper or high tech gizmo and just a POS ruler in Cm

:D


Damn dude, I'm impressed.

Aside from the welding equipment, I have all the tools you mention, and I couldn't even start doing something like that!

[suka5168]

It was a toss up between buying Tools or more Gun Parts.....:heavy

[suka5168]

The Final Product all in satin black....
DONE !!!!!!!!!!!

[suka5168]

SMG ARS Lower :D
The "A" is impossible to detent with the block welded in place.

This is most important as it prevent the Sear from staying down below the holes in the reciever and allows the Disconnector to disconnect the trigger.

[suka5168]

Amazingly with all the guess work , there where NO FUCK - UP
I was surprised myself it went relativly flawless..

The only shit I had to put up with was the splinters i kept getting from the metal flakes..and cleaning the garage nitely.

I'd do a write up for the Library if the Mod's would want somthing like it , but not sure how to start..( F'd in Eng Classes)

Thanks for the Support , I will do a full sized uzi build & should start in a few month ..

[suka5168]

The inside view , the goldish color is Militech oil reflexed from the flash

The reciever walls are not thinned at the welds.Trunion is stamped "US". and only the left sear pad protuding into reciever.

BATF note :) ..No relief cut in Trunion or reciever for F/A Mini Bolts with feets. ( pure semi )

[suka5168]

better view iin focus hehe :

rear D&D Model B sights.
front Sling swivel installed as with IMI mini recievers
and evil Bayo lug installed

[Z06]

I like how you photo-edited off the 3' long barrel. It looks sooooooooo good with the "right" length bbl. AGAIN, COOL WORK!:D

ETA: After watching this thread I was ready to sell my AC-556K and get a Mini SMG to be a "brother" to my full-size SMG. But before you completed your build, I finally got the Ciener .22 lr kit to run flawlessly in full-auto in the Ruger. Now I have a 3rd .22 MG to let my dead-beat relatives shoot when they visit AZ. The Ruger has one BIG advantage over my UZI & M16 .22 guns.... the 3-round burst setting. You get 10 bursts out of those pain-in-the-ass to load 30 rnd Ciener mags. Since there is not a current .22 kit for the Mini UZI, I will keep the shorty Ruger.

[suka5168]

The full sized semi UZI 22 bolt from Vector will just drop into the mini channel..no mods needed

All i need to do is send my extra 22 FS UZI barrel from Nmrch G Parts to BarrelXchange and cut of the brench end , re chmaber the new section and sleve the forward to 16" ....or do you think i can chop the barrel myself? Honestly?

It will be Cool !!

No auto in my plans in a Liberal State so this is just cream on top for me..:D

[Funker]

Awesome suka,
Looks great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cookie]

I'm impressed. When you get time, how about posting a breakdown of the cost and time involved. :beer

[suka5168]

This is a break down of what $$ as parts on the Mini only and do not include any tools, packaged deals, samples, shipping, or other thing needed to complete the UZI .

Reciever from D&D $19.99
Weld kit $100
Back Plate kit $55
Stock $80
Lower $80
Barrel $19.99
Bolt $4.99
Striker $75
Op rod/ Spring asbl. $35
Buffer $4.99
Pistol Grip $15
Fore Grips $25
F&R sights $10
Fore Sling swivel $7
Barrel Nut $10
Barrel catch $10
Top Cover $4.99
Cover Plate (with warning) $15
Cocking Knob / lug $10
Cover Catch $10
Rear Leaf spring $5

A mini Uzi I always wanted PRICELESS :D

[suka5168]

It was about 3 weeks to do. with the shity equipment took alot longer than a full shop such as cutting the reciever took one whole afternoon. Most of time was spent thinking how to tweak some misaligment and reenigneer some thing i couldnt do with the tools i had.

Im really lazy and started every few days at about mid afternoon and finished up around early evenings. (After the grinding noise got to my parents.) Didnt get much done on a daily basis as runing around to Home Depot / Lowes and caring for my little girl that always hung around the garage playing with the tools / welder.

With a cool shop and all it may have only taken a week and without having to go back an redo some lop sided drill holes with a portable drill.

[prebans]

Originally posted by suka5168
It was about 3 weeks to do. with the shity equipment took alot longer than a full shop such as cutting the reciever took one whole afternoon. Most of time was spent thinking how to tweak some misaligment and reenigneer some thing i couldnt do with the tools i had.

Im really lazy and started every few days at about mid afternoon and finished up around early evenings. (After the grinding noise got to my parents.) Didnt get much done on a daily basis as runing around to Home Depot / Lowes and caring for my little girl that always hung around the garage playing with the tools / welder.

With a cool shop and all it may have only taken a week and without having to go back an redo some lop sided drill holes with a portable drill.

Nice work.

No matter how simple, no matter how many rewelded errors...

NICE WORK.

Mike

[suka5168]

Originally posted by Z06
I like how you photo-edited off the 3' long barrel.

Didnt think you wanted to see the other 12" beyond the pic boarder :puke

[Kilo_G]

God bless this amazing country. Very nice work.

Hey is that a 78 BMW 633CSI in the picture where you have the reciever in the white again, preped for it's final paint job?

[suka5168]

Yep its a 6 series. but 86' 635csi with a HARTGE racing engine installed.

Very fast got it up to 160+ mph going uphill on the freeway. a cop was after me with a Caprice Classic. ( never saw his lights after a few miles ).

Need to fix it up and restore in the future, though :D

The Mini Uzi should match with my 635 and blazer jacket in the 80's

[lumpy_3]

Originally posted by suka5168
this is how the triggered lower is attached to the mini frames..
Unlike the full size , which has a slot stamped, the mini has a housing welded to the frame....

Did you cut out the slot from the scrap piece you removed from the receiver, and move it forword?

[AK43]

Reply: Excellent work, looks damn nice. I know that you had some prices down for the parts but how much was the total after all was parked or painted and finished completly? AK43

[suka5168]

Originally posted by lumpy_3
Did you cut out the slot from the scrap piece you removed from the receiver, and move it forword?

That is correct.


Dont have any chemicals so a few cans a VHT spary paint from Checkers Auto and some other brand from Wal Mart.

[RoverDave]

I've added suka's great Mini UZI project to the reference library here. (http://files.uzitalk.com/reference/pages/buildminiuzi.htm) Also, thanks to Brian Ski and Robk88 for contributing measurements and photos.

Nice work guys!