i 'm so desperate for auto uzi

[IMI_topsecret]

my only wish : is to get a fully automatic uzi. may be to obtain this dream is way too far beyond of my reach. unless i borrow a loan for 10 k, and an understanding chief of sheriff who is willing to sign on my paper . i'm 23 years old this year, however wish that i was born earlier and could legally own one of the automatic uzi when their prices were still at eased... Anyhow, i guess it's better to have something than nothing, so i'll stick with this semi-model B, " thinking" to sale it and save money for full auto uzi, as my next project !
-----------------------------thanks to all the people in here who helped me with their feedbacks......... i'v learned alot..
everyone has a great day..
KENNETH

[HKjay223]

Just seen one for $5500 but $10K is in the future. Keep to your dream and it will happen.I thought the same thing about my Mini Uzi,M16,MP5,FNC.

[Brian Ski]

So where are you from????

If you try you can come up with some cash.... The local credit union works great for me!!!!

[skycop]

Yes, sounds like the best thing is to get a loan. Unless you can save a lot of money pretty quickly, the purchase prices will increase faster than you can save. So by time you save $6500 the guns will be selling for $9000. It probably won't ever go down in value unless the NFA is repealed (unlikely) so if you are ever in hard times you can sell it and recoup your money and turn a profit.
If you have a house, get a home equity line of credit, buy your gun, and write all the interest off on your taxes.

[Kedron]

I got my full auto uzi when I was 25 so keep the dream alive. I saved for a year and bought it from an aquaintance for cheap. I've thought about a loan for more machineguns. I've already "made" about 3000 if I were to resell today.

[IMI_topsecret]

i'm from texas mister brian. and alot of cleo here are not willing to sign the form. so i'm hoping the one at my county will do. i can make a loan since i have a good credit back ground, but the onlything i'm wondering if i'm gona go a head and let's me FFL process all the papers first then start looking for the gun after? is it a good idea?
Kenneth.

[vinniet]

You can not start the "paper work" until you have a serial number on a form to send in. Basically, you need to have the paticular gun found to start the paper work.

[boofus]

You could always stick it on a credit card with 3.99% interest. I figure the value of NFA will go up faster than the interest will. I'm trying to pay off the FNC I bought on credit this spring. :(

But I figure being in debt for a while is better than waiting until they are $20,000 and completely out of reach.

[IMI_topsecret]

admittedly, i'm from houston too, and yet, how did the cleo in our city handle your transfer ?
so i'll start looking for the gun then, probably $5500 is the price that i can go with. my FFL is ammodump located on post oak.
Thanks guys

[ELVIS]

Check with Nick at www.westernfirearms.com as well . He had some used ones in great shape not long ago.

[Brian Ski]

Originally posted by IMI_topsecret
admittedly, i'm from houston too, and yet, how did the cleo in our city handle your transfer ?
so i'll start looking for the gun then, probably $5500 is the price that i can go with. my FFL is ammodump located on post oak.
Thanks guys

To let you know a FFL cannot handle a NFA transfer... It has to be a FFL with an SOT... Plus they do have a transfer charge tacked on to it... Usually $50 or up to $100 or more... Best thing to do would be to stop into the local sheriff and ask if they would sign.

Also to let you know the transfer tax it is a $200 one time tax good only for the one firearm/suppressor you are registering. It is good for until you sell it and then the purchaser will have to do the same... Also if you buy from an individual from out of state, it will take a $200 tax to bring it in state and another $200 to you... If it is owned by a dealer out of state... Incorrectly called on a form 3 it can go to your dealer tax free...

Here is some good in depth info on transfering an NFA firearm. (http://files.uzitalk.com/reference/pages/legal.htm)

[IMI_topsecret]

thanks for always stopping by and read these messages mr brian. the FFL that i dealt last time, he said he is a class 3. nevertheless, i need to do as you said, go down the station to see if the sherif would sign for me or not, i doubt that they wouldn't . since they think i'm young, and can be careless, but truely it will be for the collection if i have one of the auto uzi. i still can enjoy on the Ak47, norinco that i have now for the shooting.
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ELVIS, i think the website u gave me, majority of the guns are not transferable, but only form 3. but thanks for the info anyways :)
yall enjoy

[ColGlock]

Originally posted by IMI_topsecret
thanks for always stopping by and read these messages mr brian. the FFL that i dealt last time, he said he is a class 3. nevertheless, i need to do as you said, go down the station to see if the sherif would sign for me or not, i doubt that they wouldn't . since they think i'm young, and can be careless, but truely it will be for the collection if i have one of the auto uzi. i still can enjoy on the Ak47, norinco that i have now for the shooting.
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ELVIS, i think the website u gave me, majority of the guns are not transferable, but only form 3. but thanks for the info anyways :)
yall enjoy

Form 3's are transferable.

[Brian Ski]

Originally posted by IMI_topsecret
thanks for always stopping by and read these messages mr brian. the FFL that i dealt last time, he said he is a class 3. nevertheless, i need to do as you said, go down the station to see if the sherif would sign for me or not, i doubt that they wouldn't . since they think i'm young, and can be careless, but truely it will be for the collection if i have one of the auto uzi. i still can enjoy on the Ak47, norinco that i have now for the shooting.
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ELVIS, i think the website u gave me, majority of the guns are not transferable, but only form 3. but thanks for the info anyways :)
yall enjoy

Well as far as the sheriff sign off .. You have to be 21 for NFA other than that most sheriffs are either yes or no.... Other than having background/criminal problems.

Like the Col said form 3 means it can transfer to your dealer if the seller is from out of state without a second tax....

The ones you cannot get are ones called pre or post samples...

You want ones called transferables... The dealers tend to put the pre and post samples in another section so they are not confused...

[IMI_topsecret]

okay i think i got it, heheh i'm kinda slow there just to understand the process.
so according to the last thread by mister brian " if i buy from an individual from out of state, it will take a $200 tax to bring it in state and another $200 to me... If it is owned by a dealer out of state... Incorrectly called on a form 3 it can go to my dealer tax free...
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that's where the tricky part : so form 3 basicly for dealer to dealer, and yet, form 4, is a must for the last transfer from dealer to indvidiual who wish to buy that gun. or any standard FFL holder who doesn't have the SOT, still need that form 4 just like any ordinary folks.

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let's just say i'm buying the gun from out of state so the best way is to purchase it, which owned by a dealer rather than an individual cause i still have to pay cover up for him, as his form 4 and the federal Tax of $200, so by buying a gun from a dealer, i only pay one time tax rather than two ways back and for. ...
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another thought, what if the seller is an individual from the SAME STATE, he doesn't have to pay that $200 federal tax right? exept the transfer fees that his dealer might charge him, as myself the one who will have to pay this one time $200 tax,when i'm doing the form 4..
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Phew, that is hella long of a writing ,
THANKS

[IMI_topsecret]

if buying from a person within the same state, i still have to pay for the texas tax of 8.25% anyways..
i' almost forgot about it hehee.. now it seems i got all the help from yall here, i need to go down to my bank sometimes soon, first to make a loan, second , find the gun, and what suck is, most guy who sells those guns, wants half in advance, and they take 20% of the prices as non-refundable if i'm not approved to buy. gota take the risk ! and my last worry always goes to the CLEO, i think he will reject my paper. no hope actually, but will give it a shot.
yall just wait for the next updates i'll tell you guys how it will go.
KENNETH

[scotty1911]

there is a way around the cleo, its is done by starting a company and having the company buy the weapon, it also speeds up the transfer, normally, but then there is more hops to jump thru

[IMI_topsecret]

i see what u'r saying there, but for now, there are troubles enough, just to get the money hehe, and starting a company will be another biggest step that i can't perform.
Thanks for the tip Scott.
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Has anyone ever thought that the government someday will give out the law where as " no civilian can own NFA, and must return any things that they used to own? " this would be the super suck, after all the investment, ur time consuming, etc...
and all the Auto gun owners will go on strike .........to get back the rights.......................

i guess our country must understand, majority of those who can own the gun legally, also has the good background, however, the ones that they less paying attention to, can never catch or put charge on them such as selling weapons under the counters , black market for gangs and..so on....
just a lil thought...

[ColGlock]

Ok here you go.

It is a $200 Federal tax stamp every time the Class 3 Item (except AOWs which is $5, but we'll ignore that for now,) is transfered to or from an indivual.

From an indivdual out of state it goes like this:
1. Seller transfers item to buyer's dealer (in the buyer's home state.) $200 stamp And a Form 4 transfer.
2. Dealer now has the item. ( buyer pays dealer's transfer fee.)
3. Dealer transfers item to buyer. $200 stamp. And another Form 4 transfer.

In state it can go directly from Buyer to seller.:
1. Seller transfer item, (via a form 4 (5320.4),) to the seller. $200 stamp.

from an out of state Dealer:
1. selling Dealer (out of state,) transfers to buyer's dealer, (in state.)
Form 3 no tax.
2. in state dealer has item. (dealer fee.)
3. in state dealer transfers item to buyer via the Form 4. $200 Stamp.

ColGlock.

[boofus]

I had to form a LLC to get my NFA goodies. The police chief of Houston and the Harris County sheriff absolutely will not sign for NFA under any circumstances unless you are best buddies with them.

That is kind of sad. You can even get a CLEO signature in Austin, the most liberal city in TX, but you can't get one in Houston. The Ammo Dump is a class 3 SOT, but I use either TX Firearm Sales or Pasadena Gun Center to handle my NFA transfers.
:buttkick

It costs $200 to file for a LLC in Texas. No annual fees and the franchise tax is $0 if your company makes no revenue.

[IMI_topsecret]

yah i kinda figured it out that they wouldn't sign it. i'v met them in person several times, not for conversation but throughout some campagns and votings. i'm sorry can you tell me more info on the CCL that you'v mentioned. i really dont know much about it.. but its absolutely an interesting thing to know..may be another way around that i can take advantage of. thanks.
eNjoy.

[IMI_topsecret]

I hope that i dont bore you guys out for asking the same ol question, but i'm not sure if someone else has addressed out the issue about display barrel or not ! and does it considered as SBR and runs with tax if u put them on?, truely, can't shoot with it, compares to the short barrel that 10'in can actually go to all the way into ring for actual firing. .
I'm not brilliant enough to be in uzitalk hehehe, i asked more than answered...
bear with me.
KENNETH

[RoverDave]

You do not have to register the gun as an SBR to put the display barrel in it because it's a non-functional barrel, as you described. IMI shipped a display barrel with all of their Model A and Model B carbines.

[Brian Ski]

Sounds like you have it correct...

If you buy from someone in state... You are doing a cash transaction between individuls and you should pay sals tax but does anyone???

Also another point... whoever you buy from must hold the item until your paperwork oomes back... You have to trust them... It may be quite a few months to a upwards of a year...

[boofus]

Yeah the sales tax sucks. I paid nearly $600 in local sales tax for my FNC 'cause it was in a dealer's stock. :(

The only thing that made it tolerable was that you can still deduct local sales tax from your federal income tax for this year. I'm hanging onto my receipts.:

[usbp29]

Originally posted by ColGlock
Form 3's are transferable.

Just for info, FORM 3 has nothing to do with transferables...Form 3 only means it is a TAX-FREE transfer. As a dealer sending to a dealer (ffl/sot) ALL are form 3. When the dealer transfers it to you it goes on a FORM 4. Likewise, if you sell it to a dealer the tax must be paid and will be on a FORM 4..

[rrrgcy]

beware - sometimes if you purchase your fullauto from an out of state dealer, well in addtion to those $200 $200 fees you may have to pay your own class III dealer in-state (through whom the transfer will occur) a hefty % payment tacked on >- ie Here in FLorida, dealers regularly charge you up to 10% the value of the gun to handle the sale from an out of stater. So though you may seek somehow to also avoid a state sales tax, you get whacked by the in-state dealer for this handle fee. On a $7000 uzi that is $700 added to the cost. The best thing is to find a full auto offered in state by an Individual!

[Stryker1112]

If you use a dealer that does that, then you need to find another dealer...here they charge a flat $20 for Class 3 transfer (in Texas)...so shop around and bitch at them for being jerks

[Brian Ski]

Originally posted by rrrgcy
Here in FLorida, dealers regularly charge you up to 10% the value of the gun to handle the sale from an out of stater. So though you may seek somehow to also avoid a state sales tax, you get whacked by the in-state dealer for this handle fee. On a $7000 uzi that is $700 added to the cost.

That is very very rare.... If there is a shitty dealer like that I would completely stay away...and tell everyone... Not saying it doesn;t happen... I have heard stories but have never seen a dealer named. Like always find out what the transfer charges are when you find a new dealer...

Originally posted by Stryker1112
If you use a dealer that does that, then you need to find another dealer...here they charge a flat $20 for Class 3 transfer (in Texas)...so shop around and bitch at them for being jerks

Now that is pretty cheap... I think the average price for a transfer is $50... My dealer charges $20 for title I firearms....

[Stryker1112]

Yeah, that is the cheapest around here. the most expensive is $100

[IMI_topsecret]

Greeting to all uzitalk fellas:
i'm evacuating out of Houston, cause the cousin of Katrina, RITA is here, it will hit us hard. it's rated as "catergory 5 hurricane" inland. so i hope everyone will be okay. i'll be back soon.
BYE.
KENNETH