What's a good suppressor?

[pmf]

I have no desire to reload subsonic ammo. Even less of a desire to buy it. My C3 dealer says a suppressor such as a Gem-Tech is very quiet with regular ammo.

The other option is that he's offered to give me a used one that requires subsonic ammo to be quiet.

If these things really work well, I think it would be a cool accessory to have. I'm leaning towards just spending the $600 on a Gem-Tech.

Is it possible to buy a suppressor for the .45 conversion that Vector sells?

[RoverDave]

I'm new to suppressors (first one is on the way) so others will want to chime in but here are a few comments.

There is no line dividing quiet from not quiet. It's a continuum and you just have to decide how quiet is acceptable to you. Using subsonic ammo will make any suppressor quieter. If a good supressor with supersonic ammo is good enough suppression for you, then great. Others want maximum supression and will use the best suppressor they can get plus subsonic ammo.

By "good suppressor" I mean something with a high level of suppression. Don't confuse price with quality as they are not always in relation to each other. There are other factors that determine what is good: is it the size/form factor you want? Can it be disassembled and do you care if it can be?

You can buy supressors for a .45. You can also use them with a 9mm but they will not be as quiet as one designed for a 9mm. Again you have to decide what is acceptable to you.

[amphibian]

See my comments regarding the Vector .45 w/ 9mm on the thread below:
http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1125
I have a Gemtech MK9k with the three lug mount setup. I use this can on both my M16/9mm and the MINI Uzi.
For the full size Uzi, I'm using one LRM's new Uzi can.
Both cans are great!!
Both cans can be disassembled for cleaning which is important for me.
Bear in mind that if you live in a hot climate, the speed of sound is higher and you may get away with shooting ammo that would be supersonic in colder climates. I'm in FL and 124 grain ammo is subsonic in my MINI Uzi and Colt 9mm. It is supersonic in my full size Uzi.
http://home.cfl.rr.com/c3stuff/uzi/mini/mini_mk9k_drum.jpg
See my site for more details:
http://home.cfl.rr.com/c3stuff

[dustindu4]

Depends really what you want to spend. You can find a Coastal can for $200 that will do the trick but you get what you pay for. Obviously Gemtech is the top of the line.

When I bought my UZI I was offered a Coastal UZI can for $100 but I passed up on it because I knew later on I would have wished I had gotten a Gemtech. One local dealer has Mossads for $500 so I figured I'd wait.

It also depends what you want to use the suppressor for. If you plan on getting one for just your Uzi, get a Mossad or Mini Mossad depending on whatever you have. If you want to use the can on other guns like an MP5 as well, you're better off getting a Gemtech Raptor or equivalent.

[amphibian]

Some of you guys that have been around for a while may know that Ciener is credited with making the first successful suppressor for the Uzi. He did it by making an "integral" design. I have pictures of it at home. I think he used a semi barrel and ported it after the barrel nut. Nowadays, you get better performance out of muzzle cans. BUT that is assuming you are using subsonic ammo. SDS (which is practically out of business from screwing people over) made an Uzi can that used a ported barrel on SOME of his cans, I think most weren't. He used a standard 10" barrel and ported after the nut.
Also, I spoke to Dater about the Mossad and confirmed that the Mossad and Raptor are the SAME baffle stack. So I think the "Ultimate" suppressor for subsonic ammo for the Uzi would depend on whether or not you had a 3 lug barrel.
Also note that if you read Al Paulson's book he does a comparison between the Raptor and the MK9k and he says for Maximum suppression that the MK9k is BETTER.
I spoke to Dater about this and he said that the Raptor is more dependent on the type of ammo you are using. The Raptor works better when the ammo has a higher pressure as this allows the baffles to work harder and trap the gases while the MK9k has a larger volume and is QUIETER across varying loads.
Therefore, my can is the Ultimate Uzi can :D

[amphibian]

Also, I thought others may be interested to know that Doctor Dater of Gemtech told me himself that the Raptor and Mossad are the SAME baffle stack. The Raptor is also 2" shorter than the Mossad since it is a 3 lug mount.
Dater also alluded to me he would take the Raptor over the Mossad as well. The Mossad is an application specific suppressor. You are gaining 2" of length to use an unmodified Uzi barrel. If you want to move it to a different gun, you have to get a custom thread adapter made which has to mimick the Uzi barrel as well. You should NOT simply make a thread adapter to go from your 1/2-36 colt or whatever to the Uzi's 26x1.5 mm thread pattern because the Mossad uses the Uzi barrel as well as the threads for alignment.
I agree that for the sole application of the Uzi, the Mossad is the BEST can out there but it is definitely not a versatile can. It all boils down to what you want. I personally like to move my cans around.
Kind of off topic but I've been hearing a lot of reports that the SWR cans are the best cans period. I met someone that has a bunch of both Gemtech and SWR cans hope to do a non-scientific comparison soon.

[Renegade]

I have (in-Progress) the SWR for a 9mm handgun (GS9-K2), but not for a SMG. It is very, very quiet, about the same as my .22LR Mark II. Simply amazing. I was able to test fire it before i bought it.

[xm15e2s]

I have no idea why there is so much intrest in cans. For years I thought it would be great to have one. I thought it would be just like in the movies or TV. I thought you could shoot a weapon in one room of the house and a person in the next room wouldnt hear it. What a JOKE! I have had the oportunity to fire a costal 9mm, a gemtech 9mm, a advanced arms 9mm, a intergal 10/22 and some other brand I cant remember 22 can. Subsonic ammo was used in all.
I have to say, the 22 ones really were fun with noise level very low. BUT the 9mm models were NOT QUIET. There was a drastic reduction in level but the shot was still loud. I found no cool factor in these cans and could never justify buying my own.

[dustindu4]

Originally posted by xm15e2s
I I found no cool factor in these cans and could never justify buying my own.

well aren't you a party pooper!

:toilet

ps: you guys like my new signature pic?

[Dan0341]

xm15e2s, I have an AWC MK9. This allows me to shoot on my property and the neighbors have no idea that I'm shooting an Uzi. For me, this is the reason I like suppressors (I've got another in route on a Form 3).

Dan

[Richard Cranium]

xm15e2s,

You haven't heard the AWC MK-9. Thats OK because most people don't, unless they knowingly listen for it.:roflmao Seriously though, my MK-9 is more quiet then a pneumatic staple gun. I run mine wet with T/C Bore Butter so I don't get the first round pop also. Give one a listen. And if you can, use VV320 powder since it burns clean and is unusally quiet under normal conditions.

The lack of sound is like music to my ears.

Tucson Dick

[stymie]

LOL ******** (j/k)...

Yeah... the MK-9 is a highly underrated suppressor... especially since AWC obsoleted the pre-'92 baffle-stack. This is a state-of-the-art coaxial design w/ eccentric blast baffle... essentially a suppressor within a suppressor. Combine this can w/ IMI 158gr *blue-tip* subsonic ammo & you have a winning combination. It's a tough S.O.B. too (4140/6061 T-6/18-SS) with enough volume to handle extreme ROF.

Suppressors don't have much value on the used market, so choose wisely. This is a case where.... size does matter; it's not just a glorified flash-hider.

[Richard Cranium]

Alright Stymie, you got me wonderin'.

What does the new baffle stack look like. I'm pretty sure I have the old baffle stack as there are no asymetrical baffles. I'ts still really really really quiet though. I figure if I get a glimpse of the the asymetrical blast baffle I can turn one out of inconel and just drop it in to replace the first baffle/spacer adjacent to the spindle.

This inconel is really expensive stuff.:jaw_drop

Tucson Dick

[UZI SBR AWC]

Current MK9 baffle stack is here in this thread.

http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1226

[Richard Cranium]

How did I miss this post? interesting indeed. I take it the K baffel with the cut is the asymetrical baffel Stymie was talking about? There are no vent holes to bleed gases into the outer chamber of the K?

TD