"pieces" & parts.....

[SubGunFan]

About a month ago I was shooting my Reising and a Remington UMC (green & white box) piece of brass separated in the chamber. Well that ended my Reising shooting that day........

Over the past 2 nights I have been working to get my Reising "fixed". Below is a picture of the brass section I removed from the chamber.

Note: From the same lot of Remington ammo I had a round jam up my Stemple (needed a rod to clear) because the case head was not fully formed and the extractor could not grab the case.

No more Remington UMC rimless ammo for me ! ! !

[SubGunFan]

I still have some lead and copper jacket to clean out of the chamber. That shit is stuck in there good............

Rounds will go in fine, but I am worried about extraction of the fired brass.....

More scraping and scrubing to follow....... :(

[SubGunFan]

Since I have my Reising scattered all over the kitchen, I thought I would take a picture of the PARTS.... :)

[Garrett]

Wow! How hard was it to get your barrel unscrewed?

[SubGunFan]

Wow! How hard was it to get your barrel unscrewed?

That was a "surprise" to me............

I started this project with the receiver and barrel attached. While moving the unit around trying to work through the ejection port, I noticed the barrel would turn in the receiver. I easily unscrewed the barrel by hand. Not sure if this is good or bad, but being able to remove the barrel has REALLY helped with my "problem".

Range testing will tell me if the barrel will work loose....... That will happen this weekend.

[rentexecutive@comcast.net]

At the risk of sounding ignorant (which by the way, I'm pretty good at!) could headspacing be a problem with your gun? I know most open bolt SMG's with fixed firing pins in the bolt don't have that issue, but since you mentioned your barrell screwed out of the receiver easily and the Reising doesn't have a fixed firing pin...... I would think a firing pin striking a primer before the round is fully seated could result in what you presently have. Again, not my area of expertise.

[SubGunFan]

At the risk of sounding ignorant (which by the way, I'm pretty good at!) could headspacing be a problem with your gun? I know most open bolt SMG's with fixed firing pins in the bolt don't have that issue, but since you mentioned your barrell screwed out of the receiver easily and the Reising doesn't have a fixed firing pin...... I would think a firing pin striking a primer before the round is fully seated could result in what you presently have. Again, not my area of expertise.

Hey, rentexec... no problem, you make good points.

Allow me to state some of the history behind my Reising..... When I bought my Reising in 1985, it came with a 12rd magwell and one 12rd mag. That mag and the 2 other 12rd mags I bought later never ran well. I was getting FTF jams with all 3 mags. The mag springs seemed weak to me, but I had nothing to compare them to. Well, the trip to the range about a month ago, a buddy (local C3) brought 2 original 20rd Reising mags for me to try (since I now have a 20rd magwell installed). My Reising ran 100% (about 150 rounds) until that Remington brass separated and ending the shooting..... Back to your comment about the barrel possibly unscrewing and messing up the headspacing. In all the years of shooting and cleaning my Reising I have never noticed the barrel being loose. Why it became loose while I was digging that shit from the chamber, I don't know. Will the "loose" barrel be a problem in the future, Saturday's shooting will start that question.....

I have my fingers, toes, and other body parts crossed that the 4 new Christie 30rd mags and my Reising run close to 100% Saturday. We will see............

[Vegas SMG]

The gun's obviously a POS. I'll pay you three times what you bought it for in 1985. :) Thanks for the photos.

[Ed]

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Man that sucks! Have you tried using a cleaning rod & brush in a drill? I have a bunch of extra .45/9mm USGI brass brushes if you need some for your project (I can stash it at the range for you). Good luck on getting it running again.

[SubGunFan]

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Man that sucks! Have you tried using a cleaning rod & brush in a drill? I have a bunch of extra .45/9mm USGI brass brushes if you need some for your project (I can stash it at the range for you). Good luck on getting it running again.

Hi Ed:

I knew a local Mississippi guy would come to my rescue..... :)

Thanks for the offer of chamber brushes, but I have those. I did get some of the crap out by using a 31/64th (or something like that) drill bit that I turned by hand. That cleared the chamber enough to feed new rounds. I will try connecting a brush to a drill next. I might even have to use the drill bit and a drill.............. However, I have already scratched the chamber a little with the drill bit by hand..........

Will you be at the range Saturday morning....? I will show you my "problem".

[ptrthgr8]

Wow... that's a lame problem. Hopefully you'll get it back in tip-top shape, though. :)

Could you share the lot number of that ammo by any chance? I bought several thousand rounds of that same stuff early last summer and I've thus far gone through nearly 2000 rounds. I've had a few stovepipes, but no major jams. So, I'm not terribly worried about it, but it would be nice to just double check the lot numbers.

I'm also interested to hear about the barrel after having been removed. I've never tried to remove my barrel (never needed to), but perhaps they're all that easy to remove?

Cheers,

~ Greg ~

[Ed]

I am working on Sat.... Did you get all the crap out? If you scratched some of the chamber you could try a flannel patch with a juicy load of Flitz metal polish....a cleaning rod in a drill bit would speed things along (like the sectional M16 cleaning rods). It will put a mirrored polish on the chamber. If the scratches are deep try some jewlery polishing compound....it is slighty more abrasive then the Flitz....Question? is your headspacing off or was it bad ammo?

[SubGunFan]

Ed & Greg:

Ed, no, I feel my Reising headspacing is fine. Not sure about the ammo......??? I feel the past (old) feeding problems were mag related.......... (weak springs...?).

Greg, below is a picture that should answer your questions..... Notice the deformed head of the case...........

I have 2 more 50rd boxes of the 1,000rds I bought. I do admit, all the other Rem. UMC rounds fired from this batch have functioned well. My gripe is with these 2 rounds............ I have checked the remaining 100rds, and I have found no additional deformed case heads. However, the remaining 100rds will NOT be fired in one of my SMGs........... Pistols... yes.

Your opinion.... Should I contact Remington about this 45 ammo, and request some replacement ammo, or just "live & learn"? No harm was caused so far with this ammo (assuming I get my Reising's chamber cleared/clean...).

[Quarterbore]

I would let Remington know as perhaps others have let them know of similar problems and they are debating on a lot recall...

I would let them know if it were me.

[Garrett]

BTW, are those the magwell retaining pins that came with the gun? I've never seen a set of "flat" pins like those before.

http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7134&stc=1&d=1154046992

[rentexecutive@comcast.net]

Hey, rentexec... no problem, you make good points.

Allow me to state some of the history behind my Reising..... When I bought my Reising in 1985, it came with a 12rd magwell and one 12rd mag. That mag and the 2 other 12rd mags I bought later never ran well. I was getting FTF jams with all 3 mags. The mag springs seemed weak to me, but I had nothing to compare them to. Well, the trip to the range about a month ago, a buddy (local C3) brought 2 original 20rd Reising mags for me to try (since I now have a 20rd magwell installed). My Reising ran 100% (about 150 rounds) until that Remington brass separated and ending the shooting..... Back to your comment about the barrel possibly unscrewing and messing up the headspacing. In all the years of shooting and cleaning my Reising I have never noticed the barrel being loose. Why it became loose while I was digging that shit from the chamber, I don't know. Will the "loose" barrel be a problem in the future, Saturday's shooting will start that question.....

I have my fingers, toes, and other body parts crossed that the 4 new Christie 30rd mags and my Reising run close to 100% Saturday. We will see............

Good luck with your gun. Changing out the mag well presented yet another variable. From my experience with Reisings, they are not so well adapted to parts change outs, especially if you are going from a 12 rnd to a 20+ round mag well. Not knowing your skill level, and no insult meant if you are up to speed with what you are doing, if it were me I would recommend finding a good C2 to sort through the issue.

I would be willing to bet that the ammo is not the issue. Some ammo primers are harder than others, and despite issues with your gun, some of the rounds that fed may have seated properly before ignition. You may have found a brand of ammo that is not as well suited for SMG use for this reason. I'd look through the cases from your shooting session and check for signs of casing bulges at the base. Based on experience, bulged cases are a sure sign that rounds are not fully seated before going off and things aren't working as they should. Further use could cause injury, or at the minimum, do more serious damage to your gun. For the sake of keeping all your fingers, toes, and body parts intact, I would suggest some gunsmithing before another shooting session.

[SubGunFan]

BTW, are those the magwell retaining pins that came with the gun? I've never seen a set of "flat" pins like those before.

Yes, those are the original pins. Please post a picture(s) of other types of pins.

[Brian Ski]

Greg, below is a picture that should answer your questions..... Notice the deformed head of the case...........

Wow that case looks bad... I would send it back to the factory... Did you find any others like that??? You think they would have something that automaticaly catches that.... Don't know if I would bitch about wanting more ammo but tell them you found this (or do you have several of them?)

[SubGunFan]

Good luck with your gun. Changing out the mag well presented yet another variable. From my experience with Reisings, they are not so well adapted to parts change outs, especially if you are going from a 12 rnd to a 20+ round mag well. Not knowing your skill level, and no insult meant if you are up to speed with what you are doing, if it were me I would recommend finding a good C2 to sort through the issue.

I changed the 12rd magwell to the 20rd magwell with no problems (easy). My Reising has since run very well using original 20rd Reising mags.

I would be willing to bet that the ammo is not the issue. Some ammo primers are harder than others, and despite issues with your gun, some of the rounds that fed may have seated properly before ignition. You may have found a brand of ammo that is not as well suited for SMG use for this reason. I'd look through the cases from your shooting session and check for signs of casing bulges at the base. Based on experience, bulged cases are a sure sign that rounds are not fully seated before going off and things aren't working as they should. Further use could cause injury, or at the minimum, do more serious damage to your gun. For the sake of keeping all your fingers, toes, and body parts intact, I would suggest some gunsmithing before another shooting session.

In the more than 20 years of shooting my Reising, I have never noticed any bulged cases. I understand and agree with what you are saying, however until using that batch (lot) of Remington UMC ammo, the only problems I have had with my Reising is FTF jams with my three 12rd mags. This includes many different brands of factory ammo and my reloads. When I saw how well my Reising was running with those borrowed original 20rd mags, I was tickled shitless.... :) When that case separated, I was pissed because that killed my FUN for the day...... :( But I was grinning ear-to-ear for about 150rds.

When I get my Reising put back together and try out my 4 new Christie 30rd mags, it might take days to wipe the grin off my face..............?

[SubGunFan]

Wow that case looks bad... I would send it back to the factory... Did you find any others like that??? You think they would have something that automaticaly catches that.... Don't know if I would bitch about wanting more ammo but tell them you found this (or do you have several of them?)

I only have 2 more boxes (of the 1000rd buy) of the Remington UMC ammo and have checked them. All those rounds look fine. The ammo has been fired in 4 different SMGs, and other than the case separation in my Reising and the deformed case head that jammed up my Stemple, all other rounds have shot fine.

I will email some pictures to Remington and see what type of reply I receive...

[Brian Ski]

I will email some pictures to Remington and see what type of reply I receive...

Lets us know... I am interested to what they have to say...

[lugercarbine]

I worked for the large chemical company (since retired) that at one time owned Remington. It was not unusual for customers to return deformed cartridge casings - it was a good way to track any problem lots. I would suggest returning the case(s) to the address on the box, usually they would send out a replacement box of cartridges to the customer because of the problem(s) encounted. Tell them what number was on the cartridge box if you still have it.

[rentexecutive@comcast.net]

I changed the 12rd magwell to the 20rd magwell with no problems (easy). My Reising has since run very well using original 20rd Reising mags.

In the more than 20 years of shooting my Reising, I have never noticed any bulged cases. I understand and agree with what you are saying, however until using that batch (lot) of Remington UMC ammo, the only problems I have had with my Reising is FTF jams with my three 12rd mags. This includes many different brands of factory ammo and my reloads. When I saw how well my Reising was running with those borrowed original 20rd mags, I was tickled shitless.... :) When that case separated, I was pissed because that killed my FUN for the day...... :( But I was grinning ear-to-ear for about 150rds.

When I get my Reising put back together and try out my 4 new Christie 30rd mags, it might take days to wipe the grin off my face..............?

BTW, great pictures. When I look at the picture of the breach end of the bore it appears there is copper jacket material stuck to the bore, immediately before the rifling of the barrel begins.

Again, I'm no expert, but it appears a round went off before it was fully seated in the chamber, and I don't know how else you could end up with a copper jacket in this area unless this occured.

I've had similar issues with another brand of ammo in my Sterling.

Good luck with sorting things out and be safe!

[Garrett]

Yes, those are the original pins. Please post a picture(s) of other types of pins.
All of the pins I've ever seen are a round pin, with a half-round cut made in the side at mid-length. The pin is then bent to so you have some tension when you tap them into place.

Kind of like this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v632/GarrettJ/Reising/100_3294.jpg

You can see on the edge of the magwell where a previous owner hammered on it trying to get the pins in. I use a brass punch & mallet.

[SubGunFan]

Garrett:

Sorry for the delayed reply..............

My Reising was made in the last year of production... 1957. SN: S48XX.

I guess there was a magwell pin design change....

Thanks for the picture. And yes, it does look like someone did a "job" banging on your magwell..... :(

[SubGunFan]

Bumped for coronelli to see..........


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