Moth-balled UZI questions

[AZ-Mike]

Hi everyone,

I love the forums and have read through pretty much all of them. Now that I have done that I have some questions for you experienced UZI owners.

Back in 1984 when I was in the army, I bought an UZI 9mm SMG. Save for the few times I took it out for "photo ops" and to show it off, it has been sitting in the box, in the attic at my mom's house.

I recently got back into the firearms game and I am ready to dust the thing off and do something with it, what that "something" is I haven't decided yet, hopefully you guys can help me out.

I have read that the Israeli UZI's are worth more than the domestic ones. Should I keep mine (Israeli) as a collectors piece and buy another for shooting, or should I just clean it up and fire away?

The gun is currently in CT and I need to get it to AZ. My mom said she would take it on the plane and bring it (and a few other guns I have) to me. Individual airline procedures aside, my understanding is that it is perfectly legal to transport the UZI that way. Any other suggestions you guys might have so my mom might avoid the cavity search at the airport, like maybe having it dis-assembled?

Also, if anyone could tell me the barrel length restrictions or some place to find that I would appreciate it.

Once I get it here I will need to kit it out. I would really appreciate any suggestions about accessories and "must haves" for it.

Thanks in advance for you help and I am looking forward to being part of the UZI brotherhood.

[suka5168]

I bought an UZI 9mm SMG
Do you mean you have a NFA Machine Gun or a Semi Auto Uzi?

[AZ-Mike]

It's the semi-auto carbine I think. Like I said it's been in the box for 20 years.

I have been doing some research and I'm screwed anyway. The gun is illegal in CT and I am way past any registration timeframe. According to the website my only option is to turn it over to the authorities there or render it permanently innoperable.

So that eliminates my mom bringing it on the plane. I guess my only option with regard to bringing it here is to go and pick it up and drive it and hope I don't get pulled over in CT and get searched.

[Lxpony]

we need pics!!

[RuhRoRorge]

I'd drive it...

[prebans]

It's the semi-auto carbine I think. Like I said it's been in the box for 20 years.

I have been doing some research and I'm screwed anyway. The gun is illegal in CT and I am way past any registration timeframe. According to the website my only option is to turn it over to the authorities there or render it permanently innoperable.

So that eliminates my mom bringing it on the plane. I guess my only option with regard to bringing it here is to go and pick it up and drive it and hope I don't get pulled over in CT and get searched.

While we can't recommend you do anything illegal, I believe that there is always a legal option to remove it from the state. You might do well to fly up there (it's Christmas and your mother probably misses you anyhow!), drive it to New Hampshire or Vermont (MA or RI will probably spell trouble as well), and UPS it to yourself in AZ. (It is generally legal to ship your own firearm to yourself without involving a dealer. Hunters heading to Alaska or other remote areas do it all the time.)

You will be smart to package it well and to insure it heavily. Keeping the original box and accessories in pristine condition will keep its value high.

Driving it would involve a bit of gas but ought to be fun.

Welcome to UziTalk!

FYI,

Mike

[Oswald2001]

"While we can't recommend you do anything illegal, I believe that there is always a legal option to remove it from the state. You might do well to fly up there (it's Christmas and your mother probably misses you anyhow!), drive it to New Hampshire or Vermont (MA or RI will probably spell trouble as well), and UPS it to yourself in AZ. (It is generally legal to ship your own firearm to yourself without involving a dealer. Hunters heading to Alaska or other remote areas do it all the time.)"
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Yep!

[AZ-Mike]

I just want to make clear I am not considering doing anything illegal. Thanks to those who pointed out that this comment sounds like I am:

I guess my only option with regard to bringing it here is to go and pick it up and drive it and hope I don't get pulled over in CT and get searched.

Forums don't project emotion well. That was just sort of a "whoa is me, I guess I will eat some worms" type reaction to the situation and not my planned course of action.

I am contacting an attorney about trying to get it out of the state legally. I am not sure whether or not it can be done, but I intend to exhaust every LEGAL option I have (not to exceed the value of the firearm) to get it to where I am.

Taking a felony over a firearm I can replace is not on my list of things to do.

[Fr8 Dawg]

I guess my only option with regard to bringing it here is to go and pick it up and drive it and hope I don't get pulled over in CT and get searched.

Why would you get pulled over in CT AND get searched?

You can only get searched if you give permission or the police have probable cause to do so.

If police are in your trunk looking through locked cases and your luggage and you gave them permission to do so, you deserve what you get.

[cvasqu03]

If it's illegal to have in the state, I don't see how you'd be doing anything illegal by removing it from the state. You'd actually be coming into compliance with applicable law. The hitch is that if you try to fly it out, you'd have to declare it and that would invite some undue scrutiny. I think the above recommendations are pretty good ideas on how to deal with this. I really think you need to remove it from the state it's in as soon as possible to comply with the law.

[pmf]

Its a semi auto uzi. Its not worth that much unless you really value NIB or that its an IMI (were there really Israeli semi auto uzis imported into the U.S.?). You could have your mother drive it to a gunshop in NH or someplace else where they're legal and sell it. Take the money, plus what you save from buying a plane ticket and buy yourself another one.

Personally, a semi auto version of a smg would get boring pretty fast for me and wouldn't be worth the hassle. AZ is a free state --- considered the real thing?

[AZ-Mike]

If police are in your trunk looking through locked cases and your luggage and you gave them permission to do so, you deserve what you get.

Agreed. They should never ask to search my car, again that was all part of my boo hooing about it.

It is an Israeli made Uzi. The reason I have never bothered to go get it is because of cost vs the value of the piece. So, in the end, if it's going to cost me more to get it here than it would cost me to replace it, I will just replace it, which it is probably what I am going to do.

I am so glad I moved out of that state. Any state the Brady people grade as higher than D is not a state I want to live in.

[Fr8 Dawg]

They should never ask to search my car.

Actually, they can ask anything they want. And you can politely say no. Even if they bring the dope dog around your car and then trick it into making an alert or whatever they call it on your car, you can still politely say no.

If they choose to search the car without your permission, you retain the right to contest the search at a later date in the trial.

If you give permission to search the car, you lose all ability to contest the search.

Since a lot of police cars have dash cams that are used for recording traffic stops, they'll be their own worst witness in regards to probable cause if you refuse to authorize the search of your car and they go ahead and do it anyway.

In addition, they have hard time explaining any probable cause to search a trunk for your violating the speed limit or having a tail light out. And furthermore, they have a real hard time explaining breaking a lock off of a peice of luggage to look inside of it, simply because you were speeding.

I would never advise anyone to break the law, but if you want to get your gun out of CT and it's that big deal to you, lock that fucker up in case that don't look like a gun case using a padlock with a key or combination. Mail the key to yourself and don't keep a copy of the key on you. Bury that fucker in your trunk under your luggage and your laundry hamper. Then drive it out of state using the best "Division of Motor Vehicles Rules of the Road" version of driving and be done with it. Otherwise, do the lawful thing and turn the gun in. I wouldn't put any other family memebers in jeopardy, for your problem.

And for gosh sakes, if you get pulled over, politely refuse to give consent to search the car. And whatever you do, don't use any luggage or have anything in your car that smells like cocaine to a dog. You'll only compound matters for yourself.

[Noah Zark]

AZMike:

If you do go home and drive it, STAY OUT OF MASSACHUSETTS.

They have a mandatory 1 yr jail term for transport of a firearm in that state, IIRC.

As the others have said, it is perfectly legal to ship the weapon to yourself, or from domacile to domacile. Hunters and competitive shooters ship firearms from their homes to their hotels or the shooting venue. Your atty may be able to shed more light on it, but an insured FedEx or UPS Ground shipment from CT to AZ should be no big deal. You can print out a UPS or FedEx label from the internet sites using a CC for billing, and just give it to any UPS or FedEx driver. Thats it. There is NO requirement for telling them the contents.

Noah

[Fr8 Dawg]

AZMike:

If you do go home and drive it, STAY OUT OF MASSACHUSETTS.

They have a mandatory 1 yr jail term for transport of a firearm in that state, IIRC.

As the others have said, it is perfectly legal to ship the weapon to yourself, or from domacile to domacile. Hunters and competitive shooters ship firearms from their homes to their hotels or the shooting venue. Your atty may be able to shed more light on it, but an insured FedEx or UPS Ground shipment from CT to AZ should be no big deal. You can print out a UPS or FedEx label from the internet sites using a CC for billing, and just give it to any UPS or FedEx driver. Thats it. There is NO requirement for telling them the contents.

NoahYou can't insure an item that's criminal to possess at FedEx, UPS or USPS...are you on drugs?

"Yea, I'd like to insure this package for 1,800 bucks."

"What's in it?"

"An Uz...an Uz...no it's my stamp collection."

"Mind if we take a look at it? That's an awful lot to insure this package."

I just don't see that going over too good...and if you had to make a claim, how would prove your claim without committing some sort of fraud or admitting to the illegal possession of the firearm?

[7.62bthp]

[QUOTE=AZ-Mike]It's the semi-auto carbine I think. Like I said it's been in the box for 20 years.

I have been doing some research and I'm screwed anyway. The gun is illegal in CT and I am way past any registration timeframe. According to the website my only option is to turn it over to the authorities there or render it permanently innoperable.

QUOTE]

I'll give you an address to send it to. I'l personally "render" it.

[labrat454]

Fly to CT. Rent a car (one way travel to NH airport). Load the car up with luggage and have the UZI packed disassembled in a LOCKED case at the bottom of the Luggage and drive to NH airport and fly home with it or ship it via US Post Office or UPS to yourself if AZ. Involving a lawyer will just cost money. Just drive the UZI out of state. Plan B would be to disassemble it and ship all the parts but the Receiver via US Post Office or UPS to yourself from CT and drive the Receiver to NH and ship or fly that home as a Receiver.

[7.62bthp]

And whatever you do, don't use any luggage or have anything in your car that smells like cocaine to a dog. You'll only compound matters for yourself.

Laughing My ASS OFF!

[7.62bthp]

Fly to CT. Rent a car (one way travel to NH airport). Load the car up with luggage and have the UZI packed disassembled in a LOCKED case at the bottom of the Luggage and drive to NH airport and fly home with it or ship it via US Post Office or UPS to yourself if AZ. Involving a lawyer will just cost money. Just drive the UZI out of state. Plan B would be to disassemble it and ship all the parts but the Receiver via US Post Office or UPS to yourself from CT and drive the Receiver to NH and ship or fly that home as a Receiver.

DO NOT ATTEMPT TO SHIP THE RECEIVER OR FIREARM USPS (Post Office)

[Noah Zark]

You can't insure an item that's criminal to possess at FedEx, UPS or USPS...are you on drugs?

"Yea, I'd like to insure this package for 1,800 bucks."

"What's in it?"

"An Uz...an Uz...no it's my stamp collection."

"Mind if we take a look at it? That's an awful lot to insure this package."

I just don't see that going over too good...and if you had to make a claim, how would prove your claim without committing some sort of fraud or admitting to the illegal possession of the firearm?


No I'm no on drugs. :rolleyes

I've sold two $1000+ rifles this current year because I'm changing collection interests. I went to my UPS online account and set up both shipments there, printed the labels and two copies of the receipts for the driver to sign (if insured over $1000), gave the box to the driver each time, he signed the papers, gave me a copy, and drove away. Never asks, I never tell.

But I'm in PA. The item in question being in CT may or may not be at issue. But let me ask this, if your concern is the item being flagged by a high insurance, suppose he ships it uninsured, and it DOES get lost. Is he out any more than the only alternative he says he has?

So drive it to RI or NY and ship it from there to AZ.

Noah

[Noah Zark]

DO NOT ATTEMPT TO SHIP THE RECEIVER OR FIREARM USPS (Post Office)

It is perfectly legal for an individual to ship a long gun (rifle or shotgun) via the US Mail.

An individual man NOT ship a handgun by US Mail. Only FFLs can ship a handgun by mail.

Noah

[Fr8 Dawg]

Fly to CT. Rent a car (one way travel to NH airport). Load the car up with luggage and have the UZI packed disassembled in a LOCKED case at the bottom of the Luggage and drive to NH airport and fly home...

The TSA guy's are going to love the undeclared firearm in the luggage. Firearms have to be declared if you're going to check them in your baggage...and dissasembling them doesn't mean poop.

[Fr8 Dawg]

So how does the law read? Can anyone cite the actual CT law?

Can a person who is a resident of Arizona, drive THROUGH CT with their Arizona car and their semi UZI in their possession?

If that's true, then you'd have no problems driving out of that state unless you ran up to the first trooper you could find and whipped out the UZI and said, "Hey, loooky what was at my mummas house!"

[7.62bthp]

It is perfectly legal for an individual to ship a long gun (rifle or shotgun) via the US Mail.

An individual man NOT ship a handgun by US Mail. Only FFLs can ship a handgun by mail.

Noah

Ouch...I stand corrected from a regulatory standpoint....The USPS loses more shit than the law allows. Insurance won't guarantee you can find a vintage model A NIB....Just me though. I don't let the government ship my guns, long or short.

[AZ-Mike]

I have been pouring over NRA and other sources all day and I have a few other questions regarding transport of firearms that are unrelated to my current situation.

The NRA-ILA website has information about transporting firearms across state lines. The website:

http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/FederalGunLaws.aspx?ID=59

is confusing to me because one part says that Fed law trumps state law so you can travel anywhere with your firearms as long as they are legal at the origin and the destination. Then below that it has states with "special rules". I am going to call them tomorrow to see if they will clarify, but does anyone know if those special rules only apply to people who reside in those states or if they apply to people driving through (interstate commerce)?

[RuhRoRorge]

Hell man, cover gas and a place to stay and I'll drive your gun out to you...I could use a vacation... :D

[Fr8 Dawg]

Hell man, cover gas and a place to stay and I'll drive your gun out to you...I could use a vacation... :D

I wouldn't exactly call spending time in the Conneticuit correctional system getting a nightly rodeo performance from a cell mate nicknamed "The Bronco Buster", a vacation.

http://images.comicbookresources.com/oddball/rifleman.jpg

[cvasqu03]

I don't get it. Why can't you just get your mom to ship it to you via US Mail? If it belongs to you, there's no law against it, and she has to deliver it securely packaged to the post office and declare it as a firearm. If you're ever there, you could pack it up and send it yourself.

[prebans]

AZ-Mike, I just spoke with one of my clients today- a CT state police officer who retired due to injury in the late 1990s. He gave me some info.

Please PM me or email me privately at prebans@hotmail.com for his advice regarding your situation.

Thanks,

Mike
Distinction Arms, FFL/SOT

[SHURESHOT]

There is another way to get it out of state, do you remember the story about the watch in Pulp Fiction.:moon Just kidding shipping it to yourself seems like the best idea.

[watchin]

If it is in it's box then I would have my mom package it and send it to me the cheapest way. You can also drive it if you want to make a cross country trip. If it is legally registered to you it won't be questioned as to whether you stole it or not (should you get stopped for something else). Do not fly with it, it will get stolen. TSA bastards steal anything that is worth any money. If you follow the law and declare that it is in your baggage it will get tagged and that just makes it easier for those monkeys to find luggage with valuables. I would go UPS or FED-EX myself. You are not screwed by any means. If you "surrender" it to authorities they just add it to their collection at home (whoever the lucky guy is that you contact first). Hey, don't we trust our government here? just kidding. How can we trust an organization that doesn't trust us?
-watchin-

[Fr8 Dawg]

There is another way to get it out of state, do you remember the story about the watch in Pulp Fiction.:moon Just kidding shipping it to yourself seems like the best idea.

Except the person holding the item is at risk of a Conneticut gun charge if they screw up the shipping part.

"Hey mom, go in my old room and dig under this box, pull out that black ugly thing and mail my illegal firearm out of Conneticut."

[Fr8 Dawg]

CT Attorney General
Connecticut Attorney General's Office

Press Release

Attorney General Blasts Expiration Of Federal Assault
Weapons Ban, Assures Citizens CT Ban Still In Effect

September 13, 2004

"Attorney General Richard Blumenthal today called for continued and enhanced enforcement of Connecticut's assault weapons ban.

"Despite the assault weapon ban's demise on the federal level, our state still prohibits these deadly arms – and should enforce our statutory ban even more vigorously,” Blumenthal said. “The Connecticut General Assembly wisely adopted a stringent assault weapons ban that continues in effect, even as the federal law expires. My office supported and then successfully defended the ban when its constitutionality was attacked. This law offers some protection to Connecticut police officers and citizens from these high-powered and highly dangerous weapons.

"Our state must now commit to continued, even stronger enforcement of our assault weapons ban. We can no longer count on our federal agencies to assist us. State and local law enforcement deserve enhanced support and resources. My hope is that all officials – our legislators, governor and others – will renew their resolve to support the ban.

"Military-style assault weapons have one purpose: to kill and maim human beings. They are virtually useless for hunting, recreation or self defense. I hope other states will follow Connecticut's lead."

http://www.ct.gov/AG/cwp/view.asp?A=1779&Q=289344

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[Fr8 Dawg]

Sec. 53-202c. Possession of assault weapon prohibited. Class D felony.

(a) Except as provided in section 53-202e, any person who, within this state, possesses any assault weapon, except as provided in sections 29-37j, 53-202a to 53-202k, inclusive, and 53-202o and subsection (h) of section 53a-46a, shall be guilty of a class D felony and shall be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of which one year may not be suspended or reduced; except that a first-time violation of this subsection shall be a class A misdemeanor if (1) the person presents proof that he lawfully possessed the assault weapon prior to October 1, 1993, and (2) the person has otherwise possessed the firearm in compliance with subsection (d) of section 53-202d.

(b) The provisions of subsection (a) of this section shall not apply to the possession of assault weapons by members or employees of the Department of Public Safety, police departments, the Department of Correction or the military or naval forces of this state or of the United States for use in the discharge of their official duties; nor shall anything in sections 29-37j and 53-202a to 53-202k, inclusive, and subsection (h) of section 53a-46a prohibit the possession or use of assault weapons by sworn members of these agencies when on duty and the use is within the scope of their duties.

(c) The provisions of subsection (a) of this section shall not apply to the possession of an assault weapon by any person prior to July 1, 1994, if all of the following are applicable:

(1) The person is eligible under sections 29-37j and 53-202a to 53-202k, inclusive, and subsection (h) of section 53a-46a to apply for a certificate of possession for the assault weapon by July 1, 1994;

(2) The person lawfully possessed the assault weapon prior to October 1, 1993; and

(3) The person is otherwise in compliance with sections 29-37j and 53-202a to 53-202k, inclusive, and subsection (h) of section 53a-46a.


(d) The provisions of subsection (a) of this section shall not apply to a person who is the executor or administrator of an estate that includes an assault weapon for which a certificate of possession has been issued under section 53-202d, if the assault weapon is possessed at a place set forth in subdivision (1) of subsection (d) of section 53-202d or as authorized by the Probate Court.


Sec. 53-202d. Certificate of possession of assault weapon. Certificate of transfer of assault weapon to gun dealer. Circumstances where possession of assault weapon authorized.

(a) Any person who lawfully possesses an assault weapon, as defined in section 53-202a, prior to October 1, 1993, shall apply by October 1, 1994, or, if such person is a member of the military or naval forces of this state or of the United States and is unable to apply by October 1, 1994, because he or she is or was on official duty outside of this state, shall apply within ninety days of returning to the state to the Department of Public Safety, for a certificate of possession with respect to such assault weapon. The certificate shall contain a description of the firearm that identifies it uniquely, including all identification marks, the full name, address, date of birth and thumbprint of the owner, and any other information as the department may deem appropriate. The department shall adopt regulations in accordance with the provisions of chapter 54 not later than January 1, 1994, to establish procedures with respect to the application for and issuance of certificates of possession pursuant to this section. Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 1-210 and 1-211, the name and address of a person issued a certificate of possession shall be confidential and shall not be disclosed, except such records may be disclosed to (1) law enforcement agencies, and (2) the Commissioner of Mental Health and Addiction Services to carry out the provisions of subsection (c) of section 17a-500.

(b) No assault weapon possessed pursuant to this section may be sold or transferred on or after January 1, 1994, to any person within this state other than to a licensed gun dealer, as defined in subsection (d) of section 53-202f, or as provided in section 53-202e, or by bequest or intestate succession. Any person who obtains title to an assault weapon for which a certificate of possession has been issued under this section by bequest or intestate succession shall, within ninety days of obtaining title, apply to the Department of Public Safety for a certificate of possession as provided in subsection (a) of this section, render the weapon permanently inoperable, sell the weapon to a licensed gun dealer or remove the weapon from the state. Any person who moves into the state in lawful possession of an assault weapon, shall, within ninety days, either render the weapon permanently inoperable, sell the weapon to a licensed gun dealer or remove the weapon from this state, except any person who is a member of the military or naval forces of this state or of the United States, is in lawful possession of an assault weapon and has been transferred into the state after October 1, 1994, may, within ninety days of arriving in the state, apply to the Department of Public Safety for a certificate of possession with respect to such assault weapon.

(c) If an owner of an assault weapon sells or transfers the weapon to a licensed gun dealer, he shall, at the time of delivery of the weapon, execute a certificate of transfer and cause the certificate to be mailed or delivered to the Commissioner of Public Safety. The certificate shall contain: (1) The date of sale or transfer; (2) the name and address of the seller or transferor and the licensed gun dealer, their social security numbers or motor vehicle operator license numbers, if applicable; (3) the licensed gun dealer's federal firearms license number and seller's permit number; (4) a description of the weapon, including the caliber of the weapon and its make, model and serial number; and (5) any other information the commissioner prescribes. The licensed gun dealer shall present his motor vehicle operator's license or social security card, federal firearms license and seller's permit to the seller or transferor for inspection at the time of purchase or transfer. The Commissioner of Public Safety shall maintain a file of all certificates of transfer at his central office.

(d) A person who has been issued a certificate of possession of an assault weapon under this section may possess it only under the following conditions:

(1) At that person's residence, place of business or other property owned by that person, or on property owned by another with the owner's express permission;

(2) While on the premises of a target range of a public or private club or organization organized for the purpose of practicing shooting at targets;

(3) While on a target range which holds a regulatory or business license for the purpose of practicing shooting at that target range;

(4) While on the premises of a licensed shooting club;

(5) While attending any exhibition, display or educational project which is about firearms and which is sponsored by, conducted under the auspices of, or approved by a law enforcement agency or a nationally or state recognized entity that fosters proficiency in, or promotes education about, firearms; or

(6) While transporting the assault weapon between any of the places mentioned in this subsection, or to any licensed gun dealer, as defined in subsection (d) of section 53-202f, for servicing or repair pursuant to subsection (c) of section 53-202f, provided the assault weapon is transported as required by section 53-202f.

History: July Sp. Sess. P.A. 94-1 amended Subsec. (a) to extend from July 1, 1994, to October 1, 1994, the deadline for applying for a certificate of possession and add provision requiring any member of the military or naval forces who is unable to apply by said date due to official duty outside of the state to apply within ninety days of returning to the state and amended Subsec. (b) to add exception authorizing any member of the military or naval forces in lawful possession of an assault weapon who is transferred into the state after October 1, 1994 to apply for a certificate of possession within ninety days of arriving in the state, effective July 7, 1994; P.A. 98-129 amended Subsec. (a) to add Subdiv. (2) authorizing disclosure of such records to the Commissioner of Mental Health and Addiction Services to carry out the provisions of Sec. 17a-500(c).

Sec. 53-202e. Relinquishment of assault weapon to law enforcement agency. Any individual may arrange in advance to relinquish an assault weapon to a police department or the Department of Public Safety. The assault weapon shall be transported in accordance with the provisions of section 53-202f.


http://www.cga.ct.gov/2005/pub/Chap943.htm#Sec53-202c.htm

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[StooperZero]

Tell your MOM
"momma, STFU and put it in a box....wrap it really good with tape. Just ship it priority"

have her tell the PO it's just Christmas stuff if they ask.




I've gotten AMMO in a flat rate priority box before from a seller. Was kind ashocked but when it coems to mail. Dont ask dont tell.









"Military-style assault weapons have one purpose: to kill and maim human beings. They are virtually useless for hunting, recreation or self defense. I hope other states will follow Connecticut's lead."


LOL SO i guess it's OK For the PO-Leece to have these.

[Oswald2001]

Here's a little trivia.

This is the time of the year when packages get the least scrutiny. The Christmas season finds any and all shipping services to be just about completely swamped.

Shippers tend to accept packages quickly and then throw them in with the rest of the 10 Billion Zillion packages that everyone else in the world is sending.

[abundigas]

Question,....
* You own the firearm, and live in Az. Why cant you have your mother box it up nice and safe, and you set up a USPS,UPS or FedX pick up at her house,list it as sports equiptment,( not a lie ). so your mom does not have to transport it.

* Or maybee you could Have an out of state FFL to pick up @ your moms house and ship to you. They may have some protection due to the interstate commerce laws.

[abundigas]

Break it down to the bare reciever, ship all the parts to AZ, they are just parts. A bare reciever may not be an assault weapon in Ct. chk the law, it will have no high capacity mag well, no folding stock,no barrel, no bolt, no top cover ect...Then ship the reciever a day or two later. If the reciever gets lost or something, you have all the other parts, just order a Reciever from Vector for $ 250.00 and put all your IMI parts on it, New Vector Uzi..

[Fr8 Dawg]

CT Attorney General
Connecticut Attorney General's Office

Press Release

Attorney General Blasts Expiration Of Federal Assault
Weapons Ban, Assures Citizens CT Ban Still In Effect

September 13, 2004

"Attorney General Richard Blumenthal today called for continued and enhanced enforcement of Connecticut's assault weapons ban.

"Military-style assault weapons have one purpose: to kill and maim human beings. They are virtually useless for hunting, recreation or self defense. I hope other states will follow Connecticut's lead."

LOL SO i guess it's OK For the PO-Leece to have these.

If they are useless for self-defense, why DO the police have them?

And if they are so "deadly" why are they useless for dear or bear hunting, or small game hunting when converted to .22 LR?

They don't make sense, it's all about symbols and stupid people.

If you have an "assault style" weapon, you must be against cops. If you're against cops, you're against the flag. If you're against the flag, you hate the troops. If you hate the troops, you hate the president. If you hate the president, you hate the Baby Jesus and then and then and then.

[abundigas]

If you have an "assault style" weapon, you must be against cops. If you're against cops, you're against the flag. If you're against the flag, you hate the troops. If you hate the troops, you hate the president. If you hate the president, you hate the Baby Jesus and then and then and then.


Now I am confused.... What you are saying is that if I Have and "assault style" weapon, and then and then and then .....I become a Democrat...
:hyper

[Fr8 Dawg]

Now I am confused.... What you are saying is that if I Have and "assault style" weapon, and then and then and then .....I become a Democrat...
:hyper

Wherever your interpretation of symbols takes you.

[Polar bear food]

If they are useless for self-defense, why DO the police have them?


When's the last time someone phoned you and told you to respond to an armed robbery in progress or sent you out to serve a high-risk arrest warrant? You keep comparing apples and oranges when you liken your personal situation to that of our nation's police officers because you don't have an affirmative duty to respond to crimes in progress and stop them.

[7.62bthp]

When's the last time someone phoned you and told you to respond to an armed robbery in progress or sent you out to serve a high-risk arrest warrant? You keep comparing apples and oranges when you liken your personal situation to that of our nation's police officers because you don't have an affirmative duty to respond to crimes in progress and stop them.


I'm likin' this guy! Yeah guys, what say you? (what do use utes gadda say, for those of y'all up north) Nice shot Polar bear!:uzi

[johnnv]

Attorney General Richard Blumenthal statement that Military-style assault weapons have one purpose: to kill and maim human beings and they are virtually useless for hunting, recreation or self defense is typical of a gun-grabbing liberal and you will be wasting your time trying to convince him otherwise.

Also, I believe Fr8 Dawg's response has been misunderstood when he said, If you have an "assault style" weapon, you must be against cops. If you're against cops, you're against the flag. If you're against the flag, you hate the troops etc, etc. I think Fr8 Dawg was just carrying on the absurdity of the Attorney General's statement to an extreme to make a point and I take no offense from it. Fr8 Dawg can correct me if I am wrong.

[Fr8 Dawg]

When's the last time someone phoned you and told you to respond to an armed robbery in progress or sent you out to serve a high-risk arrest warrant? You keep comparing apples and oranges when you liken your personal situation to that of our nation's police officers because you don't have an affirmative duty to respond to crimes in progress and stop them.

I'm not comparing apples and oranges a-tall. Police have the same right to self-defense as a citizen, it's just that police are most likely to be in a position to be required to use the affirmative legal defense of self-defense due to the nature of their public responsibility.

Police are not armed with weapons for the purpose of "offense", which is what the Attorney General of CT is accusing the citizens of.

"The people gots no reason to have a certain "style" firearm...those is only for killin and if'n there's going to be any killin roun here, it's going to be done by the cops." Can I get an a-men?

Are police swat teams "offensive" in nature? Yes, their movement tactics are, but they have no more right to use their firearms to kill someone than a citizen and that purpose is self-defense.

[Fr8 Dawg]

Attorney General Richard Blumenthal statement that Military-style assault weapons have one purpose: to kill and maim human beings and they are virtually useless for hunting, recreation or self defense is typical of a gun-grabbing liberal and you will be wasting your time trying to convince him otherwise.

Also, I believe Fr8 Dawg's response has been misunderstood when he said, If you have an "assault style" weapon, you must be against cops. If you're against cops, you're against the flag. If you're against the flag, you hate the troops etc, etc. I think Fr8 Dawg was just carrying on the absurdity of the Attorney General's statement to an extreme to make a point and I take no offense from it. Fr8 Dawg can correct me if I am wrong.

Those who who say they don't believe people should own "assault" style firearms are speaking based soley on their interpretation of symbology.

To them, an AK symbolizes murder. However, these same persons may also look at the their grandpa's Remington or Winchester which conjures up images of wholesomeness and the smell of eggs and bacon on the morning of a deer hunt. It's all about symbology...if it wasn't, then CT wouldn't have banned the Colt "Sporter" by name. Which is kind of funny, because it's ok for Conneticut to export the sumbich.

[7.62bthp]

Those who who say they don't believe people should own "assault" style firearms are speaking based soley on their interpretation of symbology.

To them, an AK symbolizes murder. However, these same persons may also look at the their grandpa's Remington or Winchester which conjures up images of wholesomeness and the smell of eggs and bacon on the morning of a deer hunt. It's all about symbology...if it wasn't, then CT wouldn't have banned the Colt "Sporter" by name. Which is kind of funny, because it's ok for Conneticut to export the sumbich.

HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. Daddy' deer rifle is ok...Dumb asses will all agree on that, and never give the first thought about Sgt. Carlos Hathcock using "Daddies deer rifle" to accumulate 93 confirmed kills in VN. Daddy's old hunting shotgun is ok too, it's just a little ol 870 Rem 12 gauge.

It boils down to ignorance, and I don't mean that in a denegrating way. They simply just do not know. The neat thing is, and I'll bet there's a few of y'all that have seen this, letting somebody who is anti gun, anti military shoot your SMG.....They'll grin ear to ear every time! I did that with my sister in law, the next thing you know she's sportin a SIG230, and askin what the best .45 target pistol was! We all need to be good stewards of our hobby/passion! Teach a kid to shoot!

[Oswald2001]

"It boils down to ignorance, and I don't mean that in a denegrating way. They simply just do not know."
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Oh, they know full well. It's not rocket science. It's very very simple.

It boils down to the fact that they have an agenda that they are pushing. Nothing else.

They know exactly what they are doing.

[7.62bthp]

I think for most, they know what they've been told or conditioned to believe.

But yes, for some I believe you're right. That's why we must continue to teach, preach, and set good examples!

[MuzzleFlash]

Strip the damn thing down to the receiver. Do what you have to with the receiver. Is the receiver by itself an AW?

[Fr8 Dawg]

Strip the damn thing down to the receiver. Do what you have to with the receiver. Is the receiver by itself an AW?

Somebody posted that CT law defines an AW as a complete rifle, but I'd like to see a citation on it. As we all know with the feds, the serial numbered part is the gun, no matter how many parts you remove. But, they could have worded their law vague enough for that poster's statement to be true...it's hard to say without some sort of citation.

I'd never risk my mom's ass asking her do none of that mailing/shipping crap. On a different planet in a different dimension and time plane, I'd be a man and drive down there with my Arizona driver's license and Arizona license plates on my car for the holiday's, toss that 1,800.00 turd in the trunk and if anybody asked, it came with me round trip...interstate commerce style.

But I'd never suggest that anyone break the law in any way shape or form in this dimension, plane or planet. That would be, well...wrong.

[Oswald2001]

If it were me, I would obtain that thing and take it to a state where it is appreciated.

Out of principle, if nothing else.

I wonder how many times that "AW's" have just been driven out of CT by people that didn't have a clue as to the legality of it.

Not that I condone that. As FR8 Dawg noted, "That would be, well...wrong."