If Only I Were In Israel - UZI's for $249

[Oswald2001]

Not a bad price.

Although the bayonets are $99.

http://www.scopetica.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=37_48&osCsid=a7848f42baf44b87ab41a2aecca6ccc2

[Cortland]

Ehhh ... from I've heard Israeli gun laws suck. All in all I think we've got it better here.

[Oswald2001]

I would rather live in the US.

I was thinking a quick visit to the Holy Land with some souvenirs to help remember it by.

Something like a "My Dad visited Israel and all I got was this lousy submachine gun" T-shirt. Oh, and the UZI to go with it. :jester





Perhaps we could work out a 'cultural exchange' with BD25 if we could get the NFA register reopened...just this once.

[bendavid25]

Ehhh ... from I've heard Israeli gun laws suck. All in all I think we've got it better here.

Its true, its much easier to buy a firearm in the states (for the most part). But here, once you got one you can carry it everywhere.

[JoshNC]

Its true, its much easier to buy a firearm in the states (for the most part). But here, once you got one you can carry it everywhere.

Is there an online resource detailing Israeli gun laws for civilians? Is it possible for a civilian collector to acquire modern select-fire weapons? Are there many gun shops in Israel, and if so what types of firearms do they predominantly stock?

Just a fellow well-armed Jew :mg who is curious about the homeland. ;)

Thanks,

Josh

[7.62bthp]

At this point in my life... I've done well here, love America, and would NEVER renounce anything close to loyalty for Old Glory...But I still have my strength, and I'd love to finish my term in Israel. As an American, in the Holy Land. My girfriend thinks I'm nuts, and doesn't grasp it....The older I get, I'm only 46, the more I can feel the "pull". The NEED, the constant tug that I know a lot of Christians and Jews alike feel right now. The Holy Land is in need of a few good men...As Americans we can't afford to hand over ANY turf, both geological, or idealogical to the people that want us (the whole Judeo/Christian population) dead. I don't believe it's the beginning of the end, just the the time to put things straight for the next 2000 years!

UZI SCHMOOZI, give me a battle rifle and some boys!

[JoshNC]

At this point in my life... I've done well here, love America, and would NEVER renounce anything close to loyalty for Old Glory...But I still have my strength, and I'd love to finish my term in Israel. As an American, in the Holy Land. My girfriend thinks I'm nuts, and doesn't grasp it....The older I get, I'm only 46, the more I can feel the "pull". The NEED, the constant tug that I know a lot of Christians and Jews alike feel right now. The Holy Land is in need of a few good men...As Americans we can't afford to hand over ANY turf, both geological, or idealogical to the people that want us (the whole Judeo/Christian population) dead. I don't believe it's the beginning of the end, just the the time to put things straight for the next 2000 years!

UZI SCHMOOZI, give me a battle rifle and some boys!


Man, I feel the SAME way.

[Cortland]

I don't know how accurate this is, but here's what the JPFO says about private ownership of firearms in Israel (http://www.jpfo.org/israel-firearms.htm). It pretty much takes all the mystique away -- hell, Canada sounds better.

[JoshNC]

I don't know how accurate this is, but here's what the JPFO says about private ownership of firearms in Israel (http://www.jpfo.org/israel-firearms.htm). It pretty much takes all the mystique away -- hell, Canada sounds better.

Well that sounds like crap.

[Sayeret Shaldag]

There was a previous thread on firearms ownership in Israel. It was started when BenDevid first joined a few months ago. Gun laws are tough in Israel but greasing the wheels will pretty much get you anything you want. The US dollar goes a long waaay there and you will be AOK. There are also many unregistered weapons of all types from Port Said Ks to RPG-7Vs as a result of the many wars and bringbacks. Every kibbutz has a massive armory or "neshkia" slang for weps room. It has everything from Galils to 60mm mortars and recoiless rifles in it. Each kibutz also keeps enough ammo to sustain itself for a substantial amount of time. On the kibutz being designated to run the neshkia is like a punishment. For us American Republican Jews it is a dream job.:hyper "Pick Me, Pick Me" I remember shouting in one of the kibutz board meetings when the subject of the management of the neshkia came up, I was only seven or eight at the time and already a crazy Jewish American cowboy!! For Israelis, except BD, weapons tend to be nothing more than a tool that you choose to do a job while for us Americans it is a love affair. Yes my guns have feelings and they speak to me. My Israeli father never seems to understand this and always says, "if you had invested that in the market you would have 100 guns in ten years.":slap

[cvasqu03]

...UZI SCHMOOZI, give me a battle rifle and some boys!


Ummm...OK dude. Not my cup of tea, though.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.



:jester

[7.62bthp]

First of all I feel compelled to defend my sexuality by telling you to to kiss my ass, and, when was the last time you had you ass whooped good? LOL

You know what I mean! Context, "...and some boys"= 5-7 highly trained commandos, between the ages of 21-28, experienced and highly motivated. Expertise to include LRRecon, Hadji grabbing,and elimination of high level contacts.

The whole Seinfeld thing ruined saying things like "me and the boys"!!!!:)

[bendavid25]

Man, I feel the SAME way.


I third that brother.

[bendavid25]

There was a previous thread on firearms ownership in Israel. It was started when BenDevid first joined a few months ago. Gun laws are tough in Israel but greasing the wheels will pretty much get you anything you want. The US dollar goes a long waaay there and you will be AOK. There are also many unregistered weapons of all types from Port Said Ks to RPG-7Vs as a result of the many wars and bringbacks. Every kibbutz has a massive armory or "neshkia" slang for weps room. It has everything from Galils to 60mm mortars and recoiless rifles in it. Each kibutz also keeps enough ammo to sustain itself for a substantial amount of time. On the kibutz being designated to run the neshkia is like a punishment. For us American Republican Jews it is a dream job.:hyper "Pick Me, Pick Me" I remember shouting in one of the kibutz board meetings when the subject of the management of the neshkia came up, I was only seven or eight at the time and already a crazy Jewish American cowboy!! For Israelis, except BD, weapons tend to be nothing more than a tool that you choose to do a job while for us Americans it is a love affair. Yes my guns have feelings and they speak to me. My Israeli father never seems to understand this and always says, "if you had invested that in the market you would have 100 guns in ten years.":slap


Thanks Sayeret. I'm officially apointing you the "Israeli gun law answerer" from now on (en le koach). Make it easy just send them to one of our many threads on the topic.:beer

[yoni]

The neshkia refers to the weapons issued each Kibbutz or Moshav by the Israeli government. The types of weapons held in the neshkia depends on the geographical location of the village.

As an example my Moshav located on the 1967 border had in it when I moved in one 60mm mortar and a whole bunch of AK47's and Uzi's plus a handful og M1 carbines.

The first guns taken back by the government were the AK's, then post Rabin killing all the guns went.

Now most kibbutz's that I know about have "slicks" which pre date the State and every generation of that kibbutz has their own slick and it is held in tight secret as to what is in the slick and where it is. I know of one Kibbutz where on his death bed the last founding member refused to give up the info of where the slick was located. They did however a few years later find a slick when doing some construction and found among other things a whole bunch of new thompsons in the grease.

This same Kibbutz's during the first war in Lebanon had members leave the fighting return to Israel and get a number of trucks that they used for farm work and drive back up to Lebanon to where other members had captured a PLO arms cache. The result was truck loads of weapons for that generations slick.

But you have to remember these weapons stay hidden and never come out to play.

No regular Israeli could ever buy the Uzi's that are for sale in this ad. I do however know people that have "protectia" meaning they are very well connected that own hundreds of weapons including belt fed machine guns.

The fact that I own multiple handguns including like Ben David a semi auto micro Uzi and a sniper rifle means I am one of the lucky ones. In the short time I have worked outside of Israel I have many more guns than I have in Israel.

Yoni

[7.62bthp]

Interesting. We in the US hear that lots of Israelis have personal automatic weapons. I guess you go to the State armory if you are called up? You would think that the reaction time of "arming up" would have to be quick, due to the small distances necessary for the enemy to cover during an invasion.

[7.62bthp]

The Israelis deadliest weapon is resolve......Something we could be so lucky to have as much of!

[yoni]

No when you are called up you get your rifle from the IDF.

Now to make matters even more complicated if you live inside pre 1967 border the weapons in your village armory belong to MAGAV the border police but if you live in Judea and Samaria called by the media the west bank the weapons belong to the IDF .

Yoni

[JoshNC]

The neshkia refers to the weapons issued each Kibbutz or Moshav by the Israeli government. The types of weapons held in the neshkia depends on the geographical location of the village.

As an example my Moshav located on the 1967 border had in it when I moved in one 60mm mortar and a whole bunch of AK47's and Uzi's plus a handful og M1 carbines.

The first guns taken back by the government were the AK's, then post Rabin killing all the guns went.

Now most kibbutz's that I know about have "slicks" which pre date the State and every generation of that kibbutz has their own slick and it is held in tight secret as to what is in the slick and where it is. I know of one Kibbutz where on his death bed the last founding member refused to give up the info of where the slick was located. They did however a few years later find a slick when doing some construction and found among other things a whole bunch of new thompsons in the grease.

This same Kibbutz's during the first war in Lebanon had members leave the fighting return to Israel and get a number of trucks that they used for farm work and drive back up to Lebanon to where other members had captured a PLO arms cache. The result was truck loads of weapons for that generations slick.

But you have to remember these weapons stay hidden and never come out to play.

No regular Israeli could ever buy the Uzi's that are for sale in this ad. I do however know people that have "protectia" meaning they are very well connected that own hundreds of weapons including belt fed machine guns.

The fact that I own multiple handguns including like Ben David a semi auto micro Uzi and a sniper rifle means I am one of the lucky ones. In the short time I have worked outside of Israel I have many more guns than I have in Israel.

Yoni


Great info, thanks.

Hey Mods, maybe we could tack some of the Israeli gun laws informational threads. I tried searching for some and came up with nothing, which also indicates how much I suck at using the search function..:slap

This way guys like BenDavid25 and Yoni don't get bombarded every couple months with a "what are the gun laws in Israel" question.

Whaddy'all think?

[RoverDave]

Whaddy'all think?

I think that of all the topics discussed on this site, Israeli gun laws are probably not foremost on the minds of most readers. Certainly it's an interesting topic, but no more relevant than U.S. state laws for any given state.

[bendavid25]

I think that of all the topics discussed on this site, Israeli gun laws are probably not foremost on the minds of most readers. Certainly it's an interesting topic, but no more relevant than U.S. state laws for any given state.


Dave is right. The question just seems to follow me around the forum....Sorry Dave

I'm going to post a "Israel gun laws" thread then just hand out links every time it pops up.:smash

[Sayeret Shaldag]

Have to agree with RD on that point. No need to have permanent info relating to Israeli gun laws or the gun laws of any other country for that matter. In my short time here I have also seen several threads started on gun ownership in the UK and elsewhere, but there is no need for permanent info. I am posting something in general talk related to this discussion on gun ownership and "slicks" in Israel.

[Sayeret Shaldag]

Oh ok BD you start it. Put it in general talk.

[bendavid25]

Oh ok BD you start it. Put it in general talk.

Here it is. Just took an old one and re-posted it:

http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=176024#post176024

[yoni]

The only thing that I would correct is that their is no way you can get a permit for a semi auto only M16 aka AR 15.

Their were a bunch of guys that got them early on by saying they were .22 cal rifles but I think this was back when the issue rifle was the FN or Uzi.

The only people in Israel today that can buy rifles are snipers that are in good standing and members of the sniper association. If memory serves me correct you have to have been a certified police sniper for 3 years before you could buy a sniper rifle. I know a couple of guys that bought Ar 10's with two uppers one a 16 inch barrel and the other a 24 inch.

Yoni

[bendavid25]

The only thing that I would correct is that their is no way you can get a permit for a semi auto only M16 aka AR 15.

Their were a bunch of guys that got them early on by saying they were .22 cal rifles but I think this was back when the issue rifle was the FN or Uzi.

The only people in Israel today that can buy rifles are snipers that are in good standing and members of the sniper association. If memory serves me correct you have to have been a certified police sniper for 3 years before you could buy a sniper rifle. I know a couple of guys that bought Ar 10's with two uppers one a 16 inch barrel and the other a 24 inch.

Yoni

I've hear it can be done but I've never seen it?

[Oswald2001]

Gee whiz. It doesn't seem 'fair' or sensible to me.

Don't the foam-at-the-mouth radical scum Phillistine hordes have basically unrestricted access to assualt rifles, RPG's, etc.?

And aren't they right next door, sharing many miles of borders with Israel?

And aren't they actively working to infiltrate Israel to commit murder and mayhem on a non-stop basis? And have, in fact, done so on many many occassions?

And aren't these same individual pieces of evil fecal material sworn to the complete destruction of Israel?

[7.62bthp]

Yes Oz'01, but you have to remember the reaction time to intellegence that indicates an invasion, or threatening troop movements is probably predetermined and much more advanced than what US citizens imagine. When the SHTF in Israel, the Jews already have their dancin' boots on...Know what I mean? Add that to no failure resolve, and you have an instant civillian fighting force.

[Oswald2001]

"When the SHTF in Israel, the Jews already have their dancin' boots on...Know what I mean? Add that to no failure resolve, and you have an instant civillian fighting force."
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Yes. I understand that.

It's just that it seems that it would be a good idea to have some shootin' irons to go with those dancin' boots. Better to show up armed already than to line up to get armed.

AFAIK, the Swiss are required by law to have an assault rife and a minimum number of rounds at home at all times.

And while the Swiss have their watch, cheese and chocolate industries to protect...they have experienced very few suicide bombers to date. :jester

[bendavid25]

Gee whiz. It doesn't seem 'fair' or sensible to me.

Don't the foam-at-the-mouth radical scum Phillistine hordes have basically unrestricted access to assualt rifles, RPG's, etc.?

And aren't they right next door, sharing many miles of borders with Israel?

And aren't they actively working to infiltrate Israel to commit murder and mayhem on a non-stop basis? And have, in fact, done so on many many occassions?

And aren't these same individual pieces of evil fecal material sworn to the complete destruction of Israel?

Yes, but have you taken a look at our government lately? Thats more scary.

[yoni]

:bang This sums up my feeling for the current members of Knesset and when you look at the 3 stoogies Olmert, Peretz and Halutz it makes me want to cry.

Yoni

[bendavid25]

:bang This sums up my feeling for the current members of Knesset and when you look at the 3 stoogies Olmert, Peretz and Halutz it makes me want to cry.

Yoni


I do cry

[JoshNC]

Well, looky what I started............:)

Okay, no more "what are the gun laws in Israel" questions from me. Thanks BenDavid.

[Sayeret Shaldag]

JoshNC we started a thread in general talk I think. Hey, you in on the Galil craze? Don't all good Jews by definition own a Galil as well? I can't wait till I have a whole kibbutz full of Israel weapons.

[JoshNC]

JoshNC we started a thread in general talk I think. Hey, you in on the Galil craze? Don't all good Jews by definition own a Galil as well? I can't wait till I have a whole kibbutz full of Israel weapons.

Dang it Shaldag, I can no longer be considered a good Jew! Honestly I've never had a strong desire to own the Galil. I'll probably eventually pick one up, but the quest for NFA items has put my title-1 buying on hiatus, with a few exceptions.

I think a Micro Galil SBR is probably in my future, but there are a bunch of other items ahead of it on the list.

I have been trying (without success) to convince all my Jewish shooting buddies that they need to buy a fullauto UZI......:bang

[Sayeret Shaldag]

"but the quest for NFA items has put my title-1 buying on hiatus, with a few exceptions."


Ahhh hah! So there are exceptions. I think you could work a SA Galil in there.
What kind of FA UZI do you have? Happy Chanukah!!:)

[JoshNC]

"but the quest for NFA items has put my title-1 buying on hiatus, with a few exceptions."


Ahhh hah! So there are exceptions. I think you could work a SA Galil in there.
What kind of FA UZI do you have? Happy Chanukah!!:)

I probably could pick up a semi Galil, but I just don't get that must-have-it feeling in the same way I do for other guns. With all the new black rifles being released...Sig 556, FN PS90, FS200, the prospect of civvy FN SCARs (if the dems don't stick it to us first with another ban), and hopefully the HK416, I just cannot justify a Galil right now. Maybe a Micro SBR down the road, but that will be low on the list. Blasphemy, I know.........

My UZI is a Vector fullsize that I had Joe Gaddini cut down/3-lug the barrel for use with his QD3K suppressor. Joe also cut reliefs for the lugs in the barrel nut so that it is not captive behind the 3-lug and can be removed. Vector let me swap the ARS lower out for a Hebrew one. A SWEET setup.

Happy Chanukah to you too!

[7.62bthp]

One of my hindsight biggest mistakes ever...I had a .223 Galil that I bought new. Best Kalishnikov platform rifle ever made, IMHO. I swapped it for an Hk93, and although the Hk was nice, the Galil was more "me"...

[yoni]

I must not be a good Jew then as a Galil to me is nothing more than a 7.62 weight weapon firing a 5.56 round. If I am going to carry a heavy rifle give me a 7.62 NATO.

Give me a Colt M4, I think it now is the best 5.56 rifle their is, it never let me down in over 25 years of using one.

Yoni

[Oswald2001]

I've got a Galil in .308.

They're great!

[7.62bthp]

I must not be a good Jew then as a Galil to me is nothing more than a 7.62 weight weapon firing a 5.56 round. If I am going to carry a heavy rifle give me a 7.62 NATO.

Give me a Colt M4, I think it now is the best 5.56 rifle their is, it never let me down in over 25 years of using one.

Yoni

+1........!:)

[allendavis58]

At this point in my life... I've done well here, love America, and would NEVER renounce anything close to loyalty for Old Glory...But I still have my strength, and I'd love to finish my term in Israel. As an American, in the Holy Land. My girfriend thinks I'm nuts, and doesn't grasp it....The older I get, I'm only 46, the more I can feel the "pull". The NEED, the constant tug that I know a lot of Christians and Jews alike feel right now. The Holy Land is in need of a few good men...As Americans we can't afford to hand over ANY turf, both geological, or idealogical to the people that want us (the whole Judeo/Christian population) dead. I don't believe it's the beginning of the end, just the the time to put things straight for the next 2000 years!

UZI SCHMOOZI, give me a battle rifle and some boys!

I am a conservative/libertarian Christian who harbors nothing but goodwill toward the Jewish people and also unconditionally supports the nation of Israel. I baffle and puzzle people constantly when I attempt to explain the myth of any so-called "Palestinian people;" that they're mostly Jordanian or Syrian, and that they're the "white trash" of the Arab world. Why else won't anyone take in their "refugees." Hmph. "Refugees," my ass.

I appreciate and respect people like you, and am damn glad that Israel has nukes! (hope they never have to use them, though, but that's another topic for debate)

I don't regard Israel as the "Holy Land" in the same way most people do, because I think the entire earth is God's creation, so it's all "holy." However, that particular real estate called "Palestine" or "Israel" was promised to the descedants of Isaac, not Ishmael, and it was an everlasting covenant. It was the Romans who scattered the Jews from their eternal homeland, not the Arabs.

Strange, too, that the Arabs had no interest in the land until the Jews began returning in large numbers and turned an arid desert into a garden spot. Envy. Hatred. Aggression, all against a people who simply wanted to go home, and that in a nest of hornets and wasps.

I could go on and on. I love Israel, and not for entirely religious reasons. It's a matter if justice and what's right.

I fear for Israel now. Olmert is an idiot bordering on a lunatic and he smells like Neville Chamberlain. I hope and pray Benjamin Natanyahoo (hell, I can't spell his name) gets re-elected as PM and gets do do some serious ass-kicking. Olmert should be deported to Syria or Iran.

Just my two cents' worth.

Allen

[allendavis58]

One thing that pisses me off is the fact that once or twice a week, an armed Israeli citizen happens upon a situation where he/she takes out a terrorist with their own concealed weapons, almost always a handgun, and with a Hi-Power in large percentages. (I'm a big Hi-Power fan if I want a 9mm.) Glocks and the like are almost non-existent among Israeli firearm owners. But why not stick with what works???

These events are reported in the papers in Israel, but almost NEVER covered in the rest of the "Western" media -- wonder why??? Must be because they don't want the world to know that Israelis aren't the sheeple we're becoming in the US.

Heck, even female elementary school teachers carry UZIs, especially when they take their pupils out on field trips!

Allen

[7.62bthp]

I don't regard Israel as the "Holy Land" in the same way most people do, because I think the entire earth is God's creation, so it's all "holy." However, that particular real estate called "Palestine" or "Israel" was promised to the descedants of Isaac, not Ishmael, and it was an everlasting covenant.

This is the confusing part for me. The debate of which son of Abraham gets the prize. Sadly, all debates aside; The Muslims, Jews, and Christians are all followers of the God of Abraham. It's dissapointing that bloodshed has been the result of this eternal debate.

Kingdom of Heaven was on last night...What a far out Movie.

At this time, tonight, we must celebrate the freedom of Jeruselem. Not just as Jews, but as Christians too. The right of JudeoChristian society to even exist is being challenged by extremists. Indeed, as it has been, Jeruselem and the freedom of Jeruselem will be the key.

It doesn't matter if your Christian or Jewish, the land promised to the Jews and walked upon by our Lord Jesus Christ is the Holy Land. WE MUST PROTECT HER.

[Oswald2001]

"Isaac, not Ishmael"
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Gee, I guess your not ever really supposed to mention that 'fable'. (Especially if it's true. Not politically correct, you know.)

Whether true or allegory, the problem does go back thousands of years.

The problem? Envy...as you said.

And from that Envy...Hatred and Aggression.


The 'Pale-scum-ians' bring bombs, menace, malice, death, destruction, dysfunction, war, strife, riots, ghettos, poverty, religious extremism, suicide bombers, poverty, etc. They refuse to build up their own infrastructure (much of which is provided by the functional, but, hated Israelis.). All brought on and maintained by their own dictatorial leaders.

The Israelis, on the other hand, 'made the desert bloom'. They built homes, cities, universities, world wide trade, high tech industries, electrical grids, road systems, bridges, other infrastructure, they are now world class, competitors in many many areas, functionality, democracy, etc.


So, who should rule this land? It seems to me that it should be the best man for the job.

And that decision was made many many centuries ago. I guess 'The Big Man' knew what he was doing.

"Isaac, not Ishmael"

[bendavid25]

Cant believe this tread is still kicking lets see if we can bounce it to 80 threads)

[Oswald2001]

I not Jewish. I'm not necessarily pro-Jewish. I'm pro-FUNCTIONALITY.

I'm not necessarily anti-Palestinian. I'm anti-DYSFUNCTIONALITY.

I'm not blind. I can clearly see that the Israeli's bring construction and the Palestinians bring destruction. Both sides have been consistently this way for at least 60 years.


It's easy to be objective.

One side makes the desert BLOOM.

The other side makes the desert KABOOM.



Even Hellen Keller and Ray Charles could see who should be in charge. And they are both blind and dead.

[yoni]

I would rather carry a micro Uzi with hollowpoints than a micro Galil. The 5.56 just doesn't work out of short barrels the way it does out of a longer barrel.

Yoni

[Oswald2001]

A Micro Uzi with hollowpoints would be good.

How about an M4 with TAP rounds? The M16/AR15 guys are always raving about it.

TAP is super expensive to shoot, but, effective.

Does TAP feed well in full-auto?

[uzitiger]

My relatives in Israel own handguns and some have Uzi submachine guns issues to them if they live in danger zones. Many of them have legally registered pistols; to buy a handgun one must get a police permit for a license then purchase the pistol and have it registered to him/her, others get firearms issued to them like the Uzi or M-16 if they show the need for them. I imagine they also keep other SHTF guns the way some kibbutzim do so they can shoot in self defense with the SHTF gun and not use the registered weapon.

Israel has idiotic laws about rules of engagement and you have to fire a shot in the air and if you're still alive when attacked by an Arab mob then you have to shoot one of them in the leg then if you're about to die you can shoot to kill. This is where the SHTF gun comes in handy, it can be used in self defense and disposed of in the sea where it will corrode and the sand will erode the markings. I know of many Israelis who were imprisoned for killing in self defense due to 'political correctness' instead of being told good job. The Judicial in Israel is very leftist activist who hate Jews who practice self defense instead of allowing themselves to be murdered.

I imagine this is why the Baby Eagle (Jerricho) pistol had the frame safety replaced by a slide safety, the frame safety is more efficient and works the way G-d intended it unlike the Walther slide safety which forces the user to move the thumb in an unnatural motion.

The type of firearms you find there are mainly European pistols like the gun store in Ramat Gan across from the police station. I saw some Ruger and other American pistols there in 1984 when I visited there. As an example of two of my relatives: Shlomo uses a Webley revolver and Kobi uses a Beretta 1951 pistol. With Arab violence increasing Shlomo was issued an Uzi SMG since the Webley's ammo is probably older than he is. (WWII vintage?)

[Sayeret Shaldag]

"I know of many Israelis who were imprisoned for killing in self defense due to 'political correctness' instead of being told good job. The Judicial in Israel is very leftist activist who hate Jews who practice self defense instead of allowing themselves to be murdered"(quoted from above post)

Agreed 100% Uzitiger. America is very similar in this respect and this is our weak point in the GWOT. Israelis dropped flyers on S. Beirut neighborhoods that were known Hizballah strongholds warning of coming air strikes. This pc ness makes the left wing feel humane but leaves the Muslim extremists further emboldened and convinced that by the grace of Allah victory is near.

There are even soldiers in Israel just like in America that have refused combat duty on "moral" grounds. It is these disgusting people that must be shunned from society as their unwillingness to take action under any circumstances risk coroding our societies. Why do we give the guys who ran off to Cananda during 'Nam a pass. They should have been hunted down and put in some kind of gulag to set an example. Now since we did not gulag the traitors they have had kids and multiplied. Sorry, I had to comment on this, but pc ness is going to be the nail in our coffins.

Anyway, in Israel you will see many FN Belgian HPs, CZ-75s, Berettas, and Sig Sauers too. The top Israeli commando units and DSS also carried Sig 9s last time I remember.

Many Israeli families have a great deal of history and it is not uncommon to see some rare things handed down from father to son like Broomhandle Mausers, 98k rifles, sten guns, and Port Said Ks.

One gun I wish was in Israel that I have NEVER seen is the .45 ACP 1911. I know caliber commonality is important in a state that lives under a constant state of alert, but I just love the good ol' 1911.

[yoni]

I carried a 1911 for many years in Israel until I was told I had to go to a Hi Power like everyone else and then we later went to Glocks.

I think their are only a couple of units that use Sigs, off the top of my head I can think of only one unit which is an undercover army unit.

Shabak known as Shin Bet in USA has gone with Glocks.

I want to clear up the issue of getting issued an Uzi, those days are gone as all the Uzis were taken away about 8-9 years ago. Today the weapon you will get is an M1 carbine and it is not your to keep you have to show a need for getting it i.e. a child's school field trip and you must qualify with it before you will get it.

The exception to this is if you live on the border areas or in Judea and Samaria aka West Bank you can be issued a M16.

When I moved into my little village we had in the arms room Uzi's and AK 47's and one bolt action mauser. The AK's were the first to go replaced by M1's and then after the killing of Rabin the Uzi's went back to the government.

I always had issued guns and my own micro uzi and pistol.

Yoni