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RoverDave
12-10-2006, 04:43 PM
Barrelxchange asked me to try out a .380 conversion for the Mini UZI. It took a little bit of fiddling around but I got it running today. Initially barrelxchange sent me a barrel and magazine. I used a standard 9mm open bolt with a modified extractor. I filed down the "bump" on the extractor so the claw would sit a little closer to the center of the bolt face due to the smaller rim of the .380. My initial tests showed that the .380 was just too weak to cycle the standard UZI bolt, even when I tried a lighter spring.

Barrelxchange then sent me a lighter bolt. He used one of his 9mm heavy bolts and made an aluminum top to it instead of tungsten. The internal holes were left empty instead of inserting the tungsten cylinders. I tried that bolt with a standard Mini UZI spring and it still was not ejecting strong enough to be reliable, however when I switched to a weaker spring, the setup ran 100%. The spring I used was the spring from a full size UZI. I cut off the forward end of the guide rod so I could remove the spring and then cut the spring so the free length (uncompressed) was 8".

It proved to be a lot of fun to shoot. With that spring and bolt it had a pretty slow ROF. Plus the light recoil of the .380 made it easy to keep the gun dead steady. I think there are two drawbacks to this setup. First, .380 ammo is damn expensive - much more than 9mm. Second, the mags are a pain to load. I was using the converted Madsen mag that barrelxchange sent me. It's a single feed position magazine so it's a pain. I did not try using a standard 9mm UZI magazine and will probably try it next time, but I'm doubtful that it will work. You can shove the .380 rounds into the mag but I think they're going to sit too low to feed properly.

It's a fun little conversion but definitely a specialty item that will only appeal to a few people. If anyone is interested in one of these conversion you can contact Barrelexchange and discuss it. He also talked about a .380 conversion for the Micro. I tried a .380 barrel in my closed bolt Micro and found that it didn't have enough power to cycle the bolt. Because of the cutout in the top of a Micro bolt, it would not be easy to make a lightweight open bolt.

cvasqu03
12-10-2006, 04:54 PM
That's cool.

Aside from being easier to handle, did you find the gun was more accurate? I've found the 380 to be very accurate in semi auto guns, but never heard of it being used in any smg's aside from some Macs.

RoverDave
12-10-2006, 05:04 PM
I didn't check accuracy. Just doing function tests on the gun.

UZI SBR AWC
12-10-2006, 07:21 PM
Did you weigh the bolt? Reason I ask is that using the std M11 bolt at 16oz, with the .380 barrel installed, stock m11 spring, it seems to funtion fine as a slowfire from what I been told in the past...

Do not know what Mini bolt weigh, I would assume get it to 10-14oz and see what happen ???

380 price, I been picking up others empties at range, got a fairly nice bagfull, couple boxes of lead, and make for some cheap shooting. :)

amphibian
12-10-2006, 08:28 PM
Regarding the .380 Micro.
A friend of mine has a .380 conversion for his.
I think he had barrelXchange do the barrel. I can't remember the details on his bolt but I think its open bolt.

Vegas SMG
12-10-2006, 08:42 PM
I actually contacted Troy well over a year ago and asked him to make me a .380 barrel for my full size Vector. Why? To slow down the factory 774 RPM I was getting from the factory gun. The high ROF isn't all that uncommon for the Vector builds from what I've witnessed, and it seemed like a fun and inexpensive experiment. Unfortunately, Troy was busy working on the heavy bolts for the Mini and I lost interest after buying the MAX-11 upper.

RoverDave
12-10-2006, 09:33 PM
Did you weigh the bolt? Reason I ask is that using the std M11 bolt at 16oz, with the .380 barrel installed, stock m11 spring, it seems to funtion fine as a slowfire from what I been told in the past...

Do not know what Mini bolt weigh, I would assume get it to 10-14oz and see what happen ???

The Mini bolts are heavier than the M11 bolts. Here are the weights:

Factory IMI Mini open bolt: 19.2 oz.
Barrelxchange heavy bolt: 25.8 oz.
Barrexchange light bolt: 15.4 oz.

It's only with the light Mini UZI bolt that you get in the same range as the M11 bolt.

RoverDave
12-10-2006, 09:35 PM
I actually contacted Troy well over a year ago and asked him to make me a .380 barrel for my full size Vector.

Based on what I saw with the Mini, it would have never worked with the full size UZI. Much too heavy a bolt.

Vegas SMG
12-10-2006, 10:00 PM
Glad I didn't pursue it. The idea came to me while shooting Mike Duke's M11A1 .380 and thinking how controllable it was. Sure, there's very limited power and the ammo cost is high, but I figured for one barrel it would be fun to tinker with.

Good to know I made the correct decision. Thanks for your input.

Patrick Floyd
12-10-2006, 11:18 PM
Looks cool!

HKjay223
12-11-2006, 09:58 PM
I might be interested in this for suppressor use.
When I had my M11/9 I used a 380 barrel to shoot suppressed.I wasnt worried about knockdown power since I just shoot paper and cans most of the time but it was quiet. Let us know how the Uzi mags handle the 380 round. In my M11/9 I used standard Zytel mags and bolt.

Oswald2001
12-11-2006, 11:09 PM
.380 is cool.


Why not a run in Makarov?

I know it's been talked about many times before.

Just a thought...

Patrick Floyd
12-12-2006, 03:01 AM
I would like to have a .380 conv. I would have the bbl 3-lugged. MK9K + .380= spooky quit!! lol

crunker
12-13-2006, 06:30 PM
I want one of their 10mm kits. :cool:

I wonder if they will do 10mm conversions for say HK-94s? I emailed them just now asking that.

MadDog
12-14-2006, 04:55 PM
Nice; however, that is what a M11 .380 is for!!!

9mm - Uzi
.380 - M11
.45 - M10

Any questions?

crunker
12-14-2006, 05:38 PM
Nice; however, that is what a M11 .380 is for!!!

9mm - Uzi
.380 - M11
.45 - M10

Any questions?

I would say I'd rather have a 10mm full-size Uzi, 9mm Micro, and MAC-11/380.

.45ACP? Thompson SMG.

MadDog
12-16-2006, 07:43 PM
I would say I'd rather have a 10mm full-size Uzi, 9mm Micro, and MAC-11/380.

.45ACP? Thompson SMG.

I have a Glock 20 in 10mm. Have you priced any 10mm ammo lately? The last Blazer 10mm ammo that I bought was 18.00 per box of 50. I like 10mm; however, I would not be doing any FA mag dumps with 10mm because of the ammo price. I like the power but hate the price...

Thompson - I WISH!!!

MadDog
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Patrick Floyd
12-18-2006, 01:11 PM
I want a .380 kit! Damn Troy, because of you, the Mini will never see 9mm, again!