Made a UZI sight rail today

[M60joe]

Made a site rail at work today. Still have to mill the cross slots as soon as I determine what sight I'm gonna use. Anybody wants one, looks like I can make them for $70.00ea. You send me your top cover and I'll install the rail.....

http://users.zoominternet.net/~picplace/uzirail.JPG

http://users.zoominternet.net/~picplace/uzirail2.JPG



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KarlPMann

[moondog483]

Would shimming the rear of the rail instead of milling the front raise the rail too high? Also you put up a couple of pix of two diff. mounted scopes An Eotech was the one I have and would like to use. It looks large on the Uzi but it sure works good on my other pieces. How much zero loss do you figure due to the top cover slop? Mounting a rim on the rcvr under the cover to mount small thumb screw studs might work to tighten down the cover. Last, how hard is the top cover metal? Can I drill it with standard carbide bits? Thanks.

[M60joe]

Originally posted by moondog483
Would shimming the rear of the rail instead of milling the front raise the rail too high? Also you put up a couple of pix of two diff. mounted scopes An Eotech was the one I have and would like to use. It looks large on the Uzi but it sure works good on my other pieces. How much zero loss do you figure due to the top cover slop? Mounting a rim on the rcvr under the cover to mount small thumb screw studs might work to tighten down the cover. Last, how hard is the top cover metal? Can I drill it with standard carbide bits? Thanks.

You can shim, but, more room for slop. I wouldn't.

EOTECH seem strange (my op.) on the UZI.

Look at the left side of the top cover, I use JB Weld and then mill it so the top cover is .003" larger then the receiver.

Top cover can be drilled with normal drills.


Welded rail top cover is much better, but this is a lower cost alternative and the rail can move from one top cover to another.

[moondog483]

What are you using to cap the allen heads? Counter sunk lock nuts? CDNN has got top covers for the carbine for ten bucks so wouldn't be expensive to make up two or three differen't types of mount/cover sets. A low one for small scopes and a high one for a conventional optics scope. Using milled JB weld to tighten the cover sounds like a easy winner. I'd rather have to pry up the cover and have a tight zero then not. Come to think of it with only three thou. of slop I would figure the hotter the gun got the tighter the cover would get.

[dustindu4]

How are you lining up the holes? With a mill so it is dead on centerline or by eye with a drill press? I'd only spend $70 on a topcover that had the holes drilled properly with a mill.

Can the slot cover slide under the front of the rail?

How long is the turnaround time? If I sent you my top cover today priority mail how long would it take you to do it?

I'd like to mount an aimpoint ML2 or something on it. I'd like something that sits slightly higher than the factory sight because I don't like how I cheek weld with the stock sight. That's why I don't like the Docter setup.

[KarlPMann]

Those do look nice. But as Dustin asked, how accurate is the hole alignment? Did you use some setup that ensures a proper alignment such as a mill? The price is great. Karl.

[M60joe]

Mon: No lock nuts, the rail has tapped holes

Dust: Center drilled, drilled, and taper c'bored in a Bridgeport CNC Mill.
YES the charging bar slides under the rail!!!! WTF!!:buttkick



I will slot the rail for the ATN sight I'm using today. The $70.00 shows a rail mounted to the top cover. I would need to know where you want one cross slot or if you want slots across the entire length (more $$). This was painted black, I would "Park" them if we had a group order..... Anyone else interested? Big enough of a order I would "Park" the rail and mill slots per spec. across the entire length of the rail....

Mine is .375 high. I can make up to .625 high steel rail.

Group buy?, I'll re-quote.....

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For "Can" adapters and other "small' turing I use this CNC Lathe

http://users.zoominternet.net/~picplace/cnclathe.JPG

I'm a Engineer and we design and build prototypes and special machines to our spec. or the customers spec. Have full acsess to the equipment!! MIG, TIG, CNC Mill, CNC Lathe, OD/ID Grinder, Surface Gringer, Band Saw, etc etc

[moondog483]

Joe, your CNC setup definitely trumps my dremel drill stand, file and and other handtools. However, the bug in the ointment as I see it is the poor stability of the top cover. Adding JB weld on one side as a shim would almost certainly cant the cover towards the opposite side. Since the rail would be trued to the cover, it would be up to the owner to true the cover to the weapon would it not? Using a shim on both sides of the underside of the top cover would seem to be a better way to go. I wonder just how important the true would be anyway. Most users would be using some sort of red dot scope. A red dot is very forgiving as far as parralax is concerned. Bottom line in my estimation is; a cover that does not shift from shot to shot is more critcal than a perfectly trued rail.


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[M60joe]

Originally posted by moondog483
[B]Joe, your CNC setup definitely trumps my dremel drill stand, file and and other handtools. However, the bug in the ointment as I see it is the poor stability of the top cover. Adding JB weld on one side as a shim would almost certainly cant the cover towards the opposite side. Since the rail would be trued to the cover, it would be up to the owner to true the cover to the weapon would it not? Using a shim on both sides of the underside of the top cover would seem to be a better way to go. I wonder just how important the true would be anyway. Most users would be using some sort of red dot scope. A red dot is very forgiving as far as parralax is concerned. Bottom line in my estimation is; a cover that does not shift from shot to shot is more critcal than a perfectly trued rail.



The JB Weld is added to both sides (both ends!!) and the receiver is measured. Then the JB Weld is milled so the reciever is central to the top cover with only .003" slop. This does not shift. About .015" of JB Weld is on each pad after milling.

Rail with ATN mounted:

http://users.zoominternet.net/~picplace/uziatnmounted.JPG

http://users.zoominternet.net/~picplace/uziatnmounted2.JPG

[KarlPMann]

If you're interested in doing some sort of group purchase thing, the best way seems to be to announce a price for a given number of top covers sold, and people can sound off. I can tack the post for a while if you'd like. Karl.

[M60joe]

I'll work on a price.....

[dustindu4]

I'd get one but I won't be able to buy an Aimpoint for it for some time so I'll hold off.

I already spent wayyy too much money on this thing recently and gotta pay still on the stuff I already have!

[M60joe]

Here's the pricing. You send me a top cover.

I make a 5/8" tall painted black sight rail, mill a key slot (.010" deep or so) on the top cover so the rail perfectly aligns and maintains a parallel relationship to the top of the receiver, drill and c'bore two holes for mounting, and assemble. Includes UPS ground shipping back to you. $85.00


Same as above but 3/8 tall. (like mine) Rail blank is 5/8" and needs to be milled down to 3/8"
$105.00


Prices includes recoil slots.




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[KarlPMann]

Are these prices if we order seperate, or in a group??? Karl.

[M60joe]

More info below:

[M60joe]

Separate, don't see a group buy yet.... People have asked to see the locating pad on the top cover. The pad is wide enough for the rail to slip fit and locate. The pad keeps the rail in place. It is .010" deep. The pad is parallel with the barrel.

http://users.zoominternet.net/~picplace/uzitopcover.JPG

[KarlPMann]

Hmmm, I think the idea is to kinda like announce a price for a given number of top covers, then wait 'til there are enough buyers to make them. JMHO, Karl.

[M60joe]

Need 10 covers for this pricing. All covers that I mod over 10, $5.00 each goes to UZITALK

I make a 5/8" tall painted black sight rail, mill a key slot (.010" deep) on the top cover so the rail perfectly aligns and maintains a parallel relationship to the top of the receiver, drill and c'bore two holes for mounting, and assemble. Includes UPS ground shipping back to you. $65.00


Same as above but 3/8 tall. (like mine) Rail blank is 5/8" and needs to be milled down to 3/8"
$83.00

[KarlPMann]

OK, I'm in for a 3/8". My name is in the first post of this thread to start the list. You can add the others. Karl.

[.308 for life]

PM when you are ready to take funds i am in.

[M60joe]

Originally posted by .308 for life
PM when you are ready to take funds i am in.

Going to make one for KarlPMann, if he feels like commenting on the quality, then we will get a group buy. UZITALK will benefit if I make a lot of these. We at work will benefit because things are slow...... I'm at 6 systems now.

[mlee36]

Has anything been done on this Karl? The money is burning a hole in my pocket.

:hyper

Mike

[M60joe]

Still waiting for Karl's top cover........


Here are some more Pics.

http://users.zoominternet.net/~picplace/uzibsa.JPG

http://users.zoominternet.net/~picplace/uzibsa1JPG

[M60joe]

Still no cover!!! Wow!! I smell a conspiracy.....

[KarlPMann]

No conspiracy, just a lost piece of US mail. I don't have any more top covers that it can be done on either. Unless you can/will do it on an SA top cover. I'd like a mount for SA anyway. Let me know fast. I'll send it out this week. If both arrive, just do the FA. Karl.

[M60joe]

The Rail System works on Semi Auto or Full Auto Top Covers.

I'll give is a couple more days to receive your cover.

[M60joe]

People are asking what type rail am I making. Here's the link.

http://www.biggerhammer.net/picatinny/

[M60joe]

Here's a rail for my FFL/SOT's top cover. (True IMI SMG pre-sample......ahhhhh) Need to mill the recoil slots in and coat it.....

http://users.zoominternet.net/~picplace/c-morerail.JPG

[mlee36]

OK- TIME'S UP! :hourglass

Need an update!!

Is this for real or just the UZI-talking?


Mike

[M60joe]

Karl said he shipped the top cover to me weeks ago. He said he sent it USPS with delivery confirmation but he lost the confirmation numbers. :buttkick I haven't received his top cover.

You've waited long enough, e-mail me.

subguns@zoominternet.net

[KarlPMann]

I sent the second one yesterday. I made sure to keep the tag/receipt this time. I'll check each evening until it gets delivered. I also had them attempt to trace the other one without a number. They said it may just be a damaged label problem. Karl.

[chrisp929]

email sent .. im in ..:dancing

[M60joe]

Karl,

Your Top Cover is done. Will ship Tues or Wed this week.

http://users.zoominternet.net/~picplace/karlcover.JPG

[M60joe]

Without a group buy, here's the info:

Full size UZI's

$85.00 to install my rail on your top cover. Top Cover has a .010 deep pad milled on it so the rail is parallel to your barrel. No other modifications to your Top Cover, still works as it did prior to the rail installation. The rail is fastened by two grade eight 10-32 tapered shank flat head screws. 3/8 to 5/8" tall rail available. The Higher than 5/8" so you can use peep sights and the optics mounted on the rail available, $45.00 more. All manufacturing is on CNC mills. Includes shipping UPS back to you. Mini UZI rails available as well. Any questions? e-mail me.

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