What's your choice A or B?

[rumble_rider]

I wanted to propose a question to all Uzi lovers regarding full size IMI FA Uzi conversions. Which one would you prefer to convert to a SMG if you had to choose between the A & B models. Ok, I know you would want both of them to be converted SMG’s but if you only could convert one of the two models.

Would it be the A or B model and why would it be your choice? Or would it not make a differance to you.

[dustindu4]

I think the original SMGs like the Vectors have the A sights

[rumble_rider]

Good one Dustin!

[KarlPMann]

IMI SMG UZI, Vector (GI), and IMI Model A all have the same sights. With the choice being Model A or B, I pick a Model A. Karl.

[amphibian]

While the original Uzi used Model A style sights, IMI dropped those in preference for the Model B style. Note that the MINI and Micro are newer models and NONE were ever made with Model A style sights.
The Model B sights are superior to the Model A.
If your goal is to reproduce a replica as close to a real original IMI SMG then go with a Model A.
If you are more concerned with usability rather than trying to duplicate the original design go with the Model B.
I've also heard from various sources that the latest full size Uzi's that come out of IMI were using the Model B style as well.

[UZI SBR AWC]

A = ?

B = AR15/M16A1, can adjust for both windage and elevation easily

[RoverDave]

Originally posted by UZI SBR AWC
A = ?

B = AR15/M16A1, can adjust for both windage and elevation easily

On the model A, windage and elevation are both adjusted on the front sight. Because of that, it's easy to mess up one setting while you're trying to adjust the other. The rear sight is not adjustable on the model A (other than flipping between the 100 and 200 meter ranges.)

[UZI SBR AWC]

Thanks Dave, that is kind of what I was thinking.... was not sure, as I am a "B" owner.

[dogtear1]

UZI 9mm carbine- a damm good solid accurate shooter, a must have.
I just bought my first earlier model B for $1275. Mint, new in box the blue cardboard box, never fired until today... The Model A and B both equally shoot exceptionally well. I can't really tell the differences, except the model A is about $100-$150. more. A or B, they're hard to find, I recommend either one you can get your hands on nowadays. The UZI's that are made by vector weigh considerably more than the really thing, and they look different. I'd stay away from the fakes. However, "Vector" does have some really good accessories. www.vectorarms.com
UZI HISTORY: I first heard about the UZI in 1981 when Pres. Reagan's attempted assassination by Hinkley. When shots were fired, the Secret Service Agent working the presidential detail that day pulled out from underneath his jacket a full-auto UZI!!!

[cvasqu03]

You can't really call the Vector UZIs "fakes" because "UZI" when referring to the firearm is a model name, not a brand. I've seen the Vectors in action, and they seem every bit as good at the ones IMI produced. In addition, Vector heat treated their receivers for longevity, which is something no other UZI manufacturer did.

[RoverDave]

The UZI's that are made by vector weigh considerably more than the really thing, and they look different.

dogtear, welcome to UZI Talk.

The design of the Vector UZI is identical to the IMI UZI and many of the parts are actually surplus IMI parts. There is no significant difference in weight between the Vector and IMI UZIs.

[RoverDave]

In addition, the Vector heat treated their receivers for longevity, which is something no other UZI manufacturer did.

The original Group Industries guns were heat treated. That's where Vector got the idea.

[watchin]

I would take the B model UZI just for the sights. They are an upgrade from the original design. Also, the Secret Service agent who displayed his UZI on the day Reagen was shot..did he really pull it out from under his coat? I saw the video clip on the news many times and the thing that impressed me the most about the incident was how much trouble the agent had with opening the folding stock. If it had been a commercial for UZIs it would have been a double edged sword. We all saw how 'mean' that black UZI looked but we also saw a demonstration in how not to deploy the folding stock. My thoughts at the time were that the agent was planning on using it from the hip if he needed to. When he realized that wasn't going to be practical he attempted to shoulder the weapon. He proved that he either had little training on the UZI or that he was totally unprepared emotionally for the assassination attempt. It would be cool if someone had a copy of that footage (it was about two minutes long). I have seen the still picture here in the library and it appears that he pulled the UZI from a carrying case and not from under his jacket. I do seem to remember it coming up unexpectedly, however. It was my first exposure to the UZI other than at gunshows. I think Action Arms sold their entire inventory that month. Anyone else have a better recollection of the incident than I do?
-watchin-

[allendavis58]

I vividly remember the day of the Reagan assassination attempt.

While I had an "under the radar" knowledge of the Uzi, it was the same footage Watchin saw that burned the Uzi into my brain, and I desperately wanted one from that day on (an ambition I didn't realize until 1985).

I don't recall seeing the Secret Service agent fumbling with the shoulder stock. I do know that the Uzi seemed to materialize out of nowhere from a briefcase. And if I'm not mistaken, the Uzis used by the Secret Service actually had shortened barrels down to 8.5-to-9 inches just to get them to fit in those briefcases.

I prefer the Model B sights as well.

Allen

[macaholic]

While the original Uzi used Model A style sights, IMI dropped those in preference for the Model B style. Note that the MINI and Micro are newer models and NONE were ever made with Model A style sights.
The Model B sights are superior to the Model A.
If your goal is to reproduce a replica as close to a real original IMI SMG then go with a Model A.
If you are more concerned with usability rather than trying to duplicate the original design go with the Model B.
I've also heard from various sources that the latest full size Uzi's that come out of IMI were using the Model B style as well.
You are absolutely right, and I have never known why so many prefer the model A over the model B when the sights on the B are completely adjustable.

[buzzer]

If you are going to put some type of optic on it, then the factory sites are not so much as issue. I have a Amphibian Doctor Optics mount on my Mini and I never use the iron sites anymore.

I do agree that the B sites are superior, but the A sites are what is on a "real" Uzi SMG. It s a personal choice...

[7.62bthp]

Actually, the sights on a model A are completely adjustable....

Given that fact, the only shortcoming is "coarse" sights, and this is common to both A and B configs. The Hk, and AR platforms have much more precise sights.

Practice makes perfect. Zero your UZI at a preferred range (mine is 50m) and practice shooting the shit out of stuff at all ranges using holdover. Instinct shooting is your best friend.

I can easily hit 12" targets under 100m. I can hit, or scare the hell out of targets at 200m. I do not "flip" the sights, and I shoot an A....I would like to rig a Docter set up from Amphib one day. That set up looks totally functional.

I'd take either one of them, the sights are not a deciding factor for me.

[amphibian]

Actually, the sights on a model A are completely adjustable....

Given that fact, the only shortcoming is "coarse" sights, and this is common to both A and B configs. The Hk, and AR platforms have much more precise sights.

Below is a picture of some Model B sights.
I made an adapter out of stainless steel that is shown on the far right.

http://www.c3junkie.com/uzi/front_sights.jpg

The adapter is the AR/M16 thread on one side and then UZI Model B size hole thread on the other. Model A UZI's have a different size hole/thread.

Since the Model A style has no windage adjustments in the rear sights, doing an adapter like this wouldn't work well if you needed to have any windage adjustments. You would have to make a special "offset" adapter to adjust for windage in the front. Or modify your rear sight to be adjustable.

This is another reason I prefer the B style more.

Some may question why bother when I am using optics anyway.
My reason is to shoot the "Iron sights" class with the UZI but with upgraded Iron sights. I have a KNS precision cross hair front sight in my adapter pictured above but also have a Fiber Optic one as well.

[johnnywitt]

Below is a picture of some Model B sights.
I made an adapter out of stainless steel that is shown on the far right.

http://www.c3junkie.com/uzi/front_sights.jpg

The adapter is the AR/M16 thread on one side and then UZI Model B size hole thread on the other. Model A UZI's have a different size hole/thread.

Since the Model A style has no windage adjustments in the rear sights, doing an adapter like this wouldn't work well if you needed to have any windage adjustments. You would have to make a special "offset" adapter to adjust for windage in the front. Or modify your rear sight to be adjustable.

This is another reason I prefer the B style more.

Some may question why bother when I am using optics anyway.
My reason is to shoot the "Iron sights" class with the UZI but with upgraded Iron sights. I have a KNS precision cross hair front sight in my adapter pictured above but also have a Fiber Optic one as well.

Uh... can I have one too? Seriously, is it a big deal to swap from A to B sights on a FA Vector full-size? I think with your topcover/Doctor cowitnessing the B sights with the precision front sight- that would be the shizzle! Amphib., are you still selling the topcovers for the Doctors and can you still even get the Doctors?

[Open Bolts]

It would be cool if someone had a copy of that footage (it was about two minutes long).

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UoZeZprXnDg

It's got the Bradys in it though sigh....