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suka5168
01-01-2007, 10:57 PM
There are several type avaliable on the market all sporting the same shape and size. The only differance would be the type of material it is made from.

Anyone have a few they can comment on?

boscoman
01-01-2007, 11:03 PM
Black Jack buffers have held up the best for me. You also don't have to take the spring off the rod to install. I used Buffer Technologies buffer & it failed after less than 500 rounds. So far the Black Jack is in one piece after more than a thousand rounds (green buffer).
http://www.blackjackbuffers.com/

suka5168
01-01-2007, 11:06 PM
The green ones are the Soft ones , But how soft?
Mouse Pad jelly or Uzi back plastic buffer?

Sayeret Shaldag
01-02-2007, 07:41 AM
Very interesting thread. So do you guys think the buffer is a necessary accessory? Do those of you who have them installed experience any decrease in reliability? Thanks for the info. on the blackjackbuffers.

Ugh!
01-02-2007, 09:13 AM
I've used blackjack and buffertechs with no reliability problems. I got an R4 one that I need to try yet.

Oswald2001
01-02-2007, 09:22 AM
"So do you guys think the buffer is a necessary accessory?"
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Military forces never needed buffers. They could replace their weapons at will, so, no point in 'babying' their weapons.

Since the prices are so high in the US civilian weapons market and Galils can no longer be imported...extra care provided by a buffer is a good thing.

suka5168
01-02-2007, 09:30 AM
Anyone have measurements on these buffers?
I'd like to try cutting them out of different materials.

boscoman
01-02-2007, 11:57 AM
The Buffer Technologies buffer is about (working from memory here) 10mm thick. The Black Jack is about half that. Any decrease in reliability? The idea which I think works rather nicely is to reduce metal to metal contact, which also reduces ever so slightly recoil. I like my rifle & like the idea of an item that can only help in its lasting longer.

jmikesteen
01-02-2007, 01:36 PM
These are the real thing and the only kind I would use.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130052652990

suka5168
01-02-2007, 01:45 PM
These are the real thing and the only kind I would use.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130052652990

So whats the diameter of these? (the smaller side and larger side)

boscoman
01-02-2007, 01:52 PM
jmikesteen
Any other place besides E Bay that you know of that sells these?

jyuzamas
01-02-2007, 02:24 PM
I have brand new R-4 buffers for sale which will work in your Galil. these buffers were made for the Galil. have about a 100 left

jyuzamas@aol.com

jmikesteen
01-02-2007, 03:58 PM
jyuzamas is da Man I have delt with him maybe 20 times. Good Guy.

jetskrtal
01-03-2007, 10:51 AM
jyuzamas is da Man I have delt with him maybe 20 times. Good Guy.
I second that.Great guy to do business with ,excellent parts!!!

jmikesteen
01-03-2007, 10:58 AM
P.S. You can't tell by looking at the pict but they are held in place by the stock pin.

IC
01-03-2007, 09:28 PM
I would like to see some of the IMI Galil parts kits coming in to inspect them for pinging the back of the bolt. In my Galil IMI ARM 223 I painted the back of the bolt and receiver with Acrylic paint white "Like Bob Ross uses" after a mag the bolt never touched the receiver. Perhaps, the South AfricanR-4 was fielded with the ideal that there will be no armor around to replace the the recoil spring after 10,000 to 20,000 of SF. If a buffer makes you feel good go for one, my self they just get in the way and I have experienced them to move on the spring and or come apart in time.I would of prefer the Galil to have had a adjustable gas system like a FAL.

jmikesteen
01-03-2007, 09:36 PM
IC, that is what I believe about the AK buffers as well, cause problems, that is why I say that this is the only buffer to use, it goes at the rear of the receiver and can cause no damage or problems. It can however save you from having a cracked receiver and that is why it was developed, yes replace the recoil spring but if I forget or have early fatigue, I get to keep using my receiver after it happens.

IC
01-03-2007, 10:02 PM
jmikesteen,I it is more a reliability issue. Over 20 years have gone buy I never heard of a milled receiver Galils 308/223 cracking from lack of buffers.

jmikesteen
01-03-2007, 10:38 PM
I have personaly seen cracked IMI receivers and heard tales of many from the middle east. Why would IMI develope the buffer if there were no need. I agree the buffer becomes a reliability issue on the AK type of recoil rod mounted buffers but these are never in the way and only would come into play if the bolt carrier were to slam into the rear of the receiver. Cheap insurance, it is more like why not than to need to justify it. Hey I'm not going to hold you down and install one in your rifle but I use them.

IC
01-03-2007, 11:06 PM
Well....There you have it ... no buffer=cracked receiver... so much for the milled mighty Galil LOL, Now I have to call Blackjack and get a other buffer. jmikesteen thank you for the information.

boscoman
01-03-2007, 11:21 PM
Even when I have had a buffer "come apart", all it did was split & get loose. I have never had one get in the way of the workings of the weapon. For the price, it is cheap insurance.

Oswald2001
01-03-2007, 11:33 PM
I think the risk ratio is something like $15 : $3,000

It makes sense to me.

Sayeret Shaldag
01-04-2007, 09:55 AM
speaking of recoil springs where do you get extras for the Galil? I heard one might be able to use an AK recoil spring is this true? Who sells the finest AK/ Galil recoil spring?

Also are the round buffers that are held in place by the stock pin IMI or South African designed? How can you flip them over if one side is wider and there is a hole for the stock pin? Is $15.00 the Galil Talk price or the Ebay price? Is there a package price for multiple buffers?

jyuzamas
01-04-2007, 01:00 PM
they are $15.00 ea or 2@$25.00 plus shipping and paypal 3.5%.

yes you can flip them and use them twice

John

Sayeret Shaldag
01-04-2007, 08:31 PM
jyuzmas,

OK I will take two. Sounds great!

IC
01-06-2007, 03:30 PM
they are $15.00 ea or 2@$25.00 plus shipping and paypal 3.5%.

yes you can flip them and use them twice

John

John IM/Email sent. Thank you