newbie w/new vector 45 questions

[moleman]

Hello, just rceived my new uzi vector 45 and can not ge t the supplied mag or any of my other GG mags to lock in. will I need to modify them by grinding the back reenforcing plate off by approx.5/32"?
thanks,moleman

[Stu5250]

I just got my new Vector .45 UZI with the grease gun magazine today also. Same problem. I had some other grease gun mags and NONE of them work. I don't want to grind on the mags, they are hard to come by. I was wondering how Vector is with warranty issues, because I'm upset that they would even ship the damn thing with a problem like this.

[Seven Click's Up]

I bought a Vector grease gun lower about a year ago, and the grease gun magazines I bought elseware fit perfectly. All six. I would contact Vector. Just my opinion. Hope this helps.

[Seven Click's Up]

You did get a grease gun lower with your gun, right? If its an origional .45 cal lower, the grease gun mags will not fit.

[moleman]

I just wish somwone at Vector or Atlantic had answed my e-mails Friday. Does the bolt have a way to hold open?

[moleman]

Yes it has a GG grip. The mag goes in and seats on the ears of the mag and the grip, but the latch want engage. I checked the latch and likes 5/32" from setting on back lip of reenforcing band.

[Stu5250]

Yeah, mine is the Grease Gun lower also, I just sent an E-mail to Vector. I guess we will see what happens. I hope they are good about warranty stuff. I have never dealt with them before.

[Noah Zark]

With Vector, you get faster response with a phone call.

Noah

[roarincreek]

send back with all bolts,mags and barrels,call 1st ,rex was last guy i spoke to.got mine back less than 1 week later ,gun was reparked semi ramp installed and my truion had to be realigned and welded as any caliber above the 9mm needs to have truion aligned perfectly.i was told by rex at vector that you can have some slop in 9mm but not 45 ect,i sent all barrels and bolts from 22 ,9mm,40,357,45 ect. never had any issues since vector repaired my gun no charge other than shipping.besides keltec and ruger no other gun company has gone out of thier way to repair firearms after many thousands of rounds and changes to original calibers,ie kel-tec 9mm to 40sw they replaced trigger, and fixed to take 9mm ++ along with 40sw,ruger sent ac556 replaced barrel,cleaned and replaced springs reblued sent as new in box?vector has above and beyond one of the best warranty depts i have been in contact with!
call ask for help bet you will get it! my 3cents sorry so long

[Stu5250]

Thanks for the updates. It makes me feel better to hear that about the customer service, SERIOUS case of buyer's remorse was setting in.

[Atlantic Firearms]

The Vector UZI .45 grease gun conversions use a modified GG mag this is a fairly simple modification and has been covered on this web site before, if anybody needs the directions please email us and we will attach this to the email. There is nothing to freak out about both Vector & Atlantic will be glad to work with our customers .

sales@atlanticfirearms.com


This UZI lower has been modified to allow a .45 ACP greasegun magazine to be used with an UZI weapon. We produce them for both full auto and semi-auto configuration.

This .45 lower should replace the 9mm lower exactly.

Due to variability in construction, two problems can arise:

1. The top rear corner of the greasegun magazine hits the bottom of the UZI receiver which prohibits the magazine from locking up into place.

Solution:

This is caused by the pistol pack lower being located back too far but that can’t be fixed. Instead, file or grind off the top-back of the mag until it clears the mag-well hole in the receiver. Quite a bit of metal might need to be removed but it will not hurt the mag unless you grind all the way through the metal & you shouldn’t have to remove all the metal.



2. The magazine will not lock into place.

Solution:

The step on the rear of the magazine where our mag catch engages, varies in height. Therefore this step might need to be filed away slightly, so the mag catch can lock in place. See illustration. Caution; file a little at a time and then check.







Contact Vector Arms for any questions at (801) 295-1917

[Stu5250]

I bought my rifle from Atlantic Firearms. It arrived Friday, but I could not pick it up from my FFL dealer until the weekend. The first thing I did when I noticed a problem was to start checking the forums. I am new to this forum and already have found tons of good info. I have also called both Atlantic Firearms and Vector Arms, and also e-mailed Vector. I know that they are closed on the weekend and that with HR 1022, they are probably slammed. I do expect that I will hear from them both early Monday morning. Everything that I have seen from these forums is that they both have excellent reputations for customer service.

However, I am kind of kicking myself in the ass for not doing the research on this purchase before I bought the rifle. I have never bought a firearm without personally inspecting it beforehand. It was kind of an impulse buy. This is also the first rifle that I have bought over the internet (I know, it took me a while to join the 20th century), but I kind of feel like I got burned. If I had known about the problems, if I had known I would have to grind my mags, I may have thought about the purchase a little more. If you (Atlantic Firearms) knew about this apparently common problem, why didn't you mention it when I was buying the rifle? Your website says "standard grease gun magazines." Not "modified grease gun magazines."

I do not feel that I am "freaking out." Dissapointed, yes, but not "freaking out." I work hard for my money and I expect the products that I buy to work. I do not think that is asking too much. Like I said, both of these companies have excellent customer service reputations, and I do not expect any problems getting this issue taken care of.

Stu

[Atlantic Firearms]

Stu , we looked at the web site and you are correct it does say standard gg mags and that is our fault our web site admin will get this changed , we would be glad to offer you a refund on your purchase or help you out however we can, please email us .


Atlantic Firearms,llc

[firefighter]

I can feel your pain Stu5250. I would not want to be grinding on every greasegun mag I planned on using.
I'm guessing you've seen this thread about greasegun lowers (http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25428), but I'll bring it up anyway.
I know it's a new gun, and that you shouldn't have to do anything. It should fire right out of the box. It's good that Atlantic Firearms has offered you some options.
I already had an Uzi receiver and just ordered the Greasegun lower. When I got it, my mags hit the rear of the receiver opening. You will see in that thread that a few of us used a Dremel and lengthened the receiver opening ever so slightly so every greasegun mag would clear without modification.
Should you have to do that on new gun? Absolutely not!!!
Would I modify every greasegun mag I owned? Absolutely not!!
Would I give up my Uzi? Absolutely not!!
If you choose to use the Dremel, you will never see the modification externally and you could touch up the area if it made you feel better.
It sucks I know, but there is options.
Just my 2 cents sir.
Good luck.
Let me know if I can answer any more questions for you. I did not want to modify my IMI receiver to make it work, but when I look back on it now.... oh well. Every greasegun mag shoves right in, latches in place, and is unmodified.

[gary tuthill]

Stu , we looked at the web site and you are correct it does say standard gg mags and that is our fault our web site admin will get this changed , we would be glad to offer you a refund on your purchase or help you out however we can, please email us .


Atlantic Firearms,llc stu... they will fix the issue,i would be disappointed too,get a new toy,then turn around and send it back...atlantic is a good company!!

[Atlantic Firearms]

The grease gun conversions are the only way to go at this time on the .45 cal UZI, there are no hi cap .45 cal UZI mags out on the market that is why we switched to the Vector GG mag conversions. Grease gun mags can be had a at resonable price and with a bit of modification will work fine with the rifles. Either way Stu we stand behind what we sell so let us know what we can do to help you out. We have no problem offering a refund and we will even call in a pick up tag and cover the return ship .

Atlantic Firearms,llc

[Stu5250]

Atlantic Firearms,

Thank you, I know that you guys are busy and I appreciate the help on a weekend. Also, thanks to everyone else on this forum. All your information has been very helpful. I want to keep the rifle, but I want it to work. I will speak with Vector and see what they have to say also. It seems that the 2 choices are grind the mags, or grind the reciever.

[Atlantic Firearms]

Call Vector ask to speak with the UZI tech they have always been great to work with in the past and if you need anything from us just email or call.

[terma-nator]

You would think that if the GG mags needed to be converted, that they would at least convert the one supplied with the gun.

[Atlantic Firearms]

The mag that comes from the factory should already be converted.

[Quarterbore]

I have the same issue but with my Vector SMG so I am not about to cut on my receiver so I will try some of these fixes instead. I have a couple issues however:

http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20327

For now, I spent a small ofrtune and I have enough IMI 45ACP mags that this became a moot issue but it would be nice to get a 14-round increase that M3A1 mags offer.

[moleman]

The mag that comes from the factory should already be converted.

The one I received Thursday (03-22-07) from Atlantic is not converted and looks like the 11 new(was in wrap 1967's and 1974's) that I had already purchased to be used in the UZI and the HK USC/UMP that I want to convert as soon as my thumb heals....another story. I will wait a while before I decide what I will modify.
Tony

[Prasutagus]

The mag that came with my Vector GG lower was also not modified. It was blued, as well.

Range report this weekend! I hope everything works!

[moleman]

The mag that came with my Vector GG lower was also not modified. It was blued, as well.

Range report this weekend! I hope everything works!

were you able to lock your mag? did you modify mag? how? I removed the top cover, bolt, etc. my mags do not go into receiver high enough for the bolt to pick up rounds. someone said they ground the opening larger so mag went in. how much? looks like plenty of room, but mag well in grip is to far back to line up with receiver mag openning. GOD I HATE SENDING THIS BACK! I just want to be able to fix it myself. I can, but need to know what to do. I don't like let's try this kind of fixen.
moleman

[firefighter]

were you able to lock your mag? did you modify mag? how? I removed the top cover, bolt, etc. my mags do not go into receiver high enough for the bolt to pick up rounds. someone said they ground the opening larger so mag went in. how much? looks like plenty of room, but mag well in grip is to far back to line up with receiver mag openning. GOD I HATE SENDING THIS BACK! I just want to be able to fix it myself. I can, but need to know what to do. I don't like let's try this kind of fixen.
moleman

Go back to my post #14 moleman, if you haven't already read it.
I used a die grinder on the rear of the receiver opening. I ground only enough of the receiver for my mags to clear. It wasn't very much.
If you are capable of doing the repair, don't send it back. Just fix the problem, go shoot it, and enjoy it.
Let me know if you have problems or questions.
FF

[moleman]

thanks firefighter...I'll give it a go..
moleman

[moleman]

thanks firefighter....took about 5 min to grind and polish. Inserted 4 diff mags(blue and park) all fit and locked. Put 3 rounds in mag and fired them ..no FTF or FTE... I know only 3 round...WHAT I NEED NOW IS A GG MAG LOADER. Think I'm goner like UZI's.

[firefighter]

Hey, way to go moleman.
I knew you could to it. :gym
It evidently didn't take you too long if you're posting results already.
Good job.
Now you can use any unmodified greasegun mag, or anyone elses unmodified greasegun mag.

[Stu5250]

Good work moleman!! Well, I guess I better try it also. I spoke with Vector and they were very helpful. Nice people to deal with. Firefighter, thanks for all the info. I won't be able to test it until the weekend. Wish me luck (and a steady hand).

[moleman]

If I can do it, anyone can...I've only got one hand for the next few months to work with.
I got a nice e-mail from Rex...he said there should have been a sheet of instruction on modiying mags. I told him how I fixed mine, thanks to firefighter. I think his fix was better for me. I plan to use my mags in other platforms.