Norinco 320 stocks and modifications

[chicom9mm]

Hi all, newbie 320 owner first post. I just aquired another 320 in really nice shape, and I have a question concerning the stock. It did not come with the original wood stock, it has a welded IMI metal folder in it's place. I believe it needs additional made in the US parts to be compliant, and I sure could use some help identifying what they need to be and where to find them, or where I might find the correct stock. Thanks in advance for the help.

[Deadline222]

First, if it is not 922(r) compliant, the weapon CANNOT have a seperate pistol grip and shoulder stock, even one that is fixed in the open position; per your description.

And, I don't think I speak alone when I say that you don't want the correct and/or factory stock on that 320. It's but ugly....

http://files.uzitalk.com/reference/pages/norinco.htm

http://files.uzitalk.com/reference/pages/norincoconvert.htm

[smg-45]

Foregips, and pistol grips, can be purchased from Uzigrips.com. The grips are 1 of the 5 needed parts. A mag from USA mags = 3 parts, Mag body. Mag follower, mag floor plate. Other parts can be purchased from Vector Arms.

[chicom9mm]

Thanks for the input! So both the pistol and the foregrips count as a total of (1), and buying a USA mag with the 3 parts gets me to 4, what else can I buy to get to 5? Looking at the tack welds on the folding stock, it looks like a very simple job to make it fold again, any issue with these having an IMI folding metal stock now that the AWB has expired, providing that the required 5 US parts are installed?

[Deadline222]

If you have a total of no more than 10 imported parts (including the stock) on the rifle, you could put on a folding stock on it made by Sarah Brady if you'd like.

[rlowe]

Actually 922r applies to the manufacture of the weapon not to the possession of the weapon. The manufacture or putting evil features on the weapon is a felony. The possession as I understand it has no penalty. I have spoke with more than one ATF agent who has stated that 922r is unenforceable. I think that the US parts manufactures and dealers wire people up into a frenzy that they don't need to be in. If any one can site a case where an individual was prosecuted under 922r I'd sure like to have it so that I could look at the case.

Richard

[chicom9mm]

Richard, thats an interesting point you make, I'd like to know if anyone has been prosecuted as well, I'd sure hate to be ATF's whipping boy the first time around. I think I'll pony up the $$$ for the parts to ensure compliancy, I just need to determine the (5th) part aside from the grips(1) and the us made magazine which counts for 3.

[rlowe]

I understand the fear. It sucks to have ATF crash your party. I'm not sure about the compliance parts my Uzi is FA. I'm pretty sure that the grips and fore end would be 2 parts. There are a couple of posts here about refitting the Norinco. you could also call Vector and ask them what you'll need they have the same legal requirement that you do except their receiver is USA. Vector has 16" USA barrels. Are you sure your trigger and sear are not USA? How can you or anyone else tell? There is no requirement for the country of origin to be marked on the parts. I'm betting if you order made in the USA parts from Vector they will not be marked USA on them. I'm not sure about the parts count on an Uzi but 5 seems high there is no muzzle device. If I'm right that would mean 4 USA parts. Call Vector they are very helpful and they will have what you need. If you can try to get enough USA parts to use surplus mags most USA mags suck.

922r sucks,
Richard

[rlowe]

Well I was running my head without researching. This is a good article for what you are doing http://files.uzitalk.com/reference/pages/norincoconvert.htm.
It said that the Norinco has 14 parts:

1) receiver
2) barrel
3) trunnion
4) bolt
5) operating rod
6) trigger housing
7) trigger
8) sear
9) disconnector
10) butt stock (does not include pistol grip)
11) forearms
12) magazine body
13) magazine floor plate
14) magazine follower

Then when you take the thumb hole stock off you have a pistol grip. and that makes 15 like SMG-45 said. The pistol grip and fore end from either Vector (tell them USA) or Uzi grips. com will count as 2 parts. I know that Vector makes there own op rods / recoil spring guide rods. that leaves 2 parts you will need. I'd take the gun apart and check the bolt, grips, and all the listed parts for either a GI or a G stamp. That is how Group marked their stuff and they are made in the USA also if the barrel nut isn't welded I would suspect a USA Barrel, I'm not sure though. Whoever originally did the gun may have put a bunch of group / USA parts in it. I don't think group marked their sears, triggers and disconectors.

A lot of work and no one but you will know the difference. I'm no expert but it looks as if you can just order the grips and fore arm from Uzi grips.com and then use only USA magazines.

Good luck

Richard

[chicom9mm]

Thanks again for the help guys! I got lucky today and found all the parts I needed locally at a dealer and scored 2 like new IMI folding stocks as well. :jester I took both of em to the range, (I havent fired an UZI previously) and man was it fun! Zero issues, both guns ran perfectly, and I'm loving these things.

[Deadline222]

Must be nice to have a dealer that keeps US made UZI parts in stock.

Hell, our dealers are lucky to be able to keep Mosin Nagants in stock. :clap

[chicom9mm]

Must be nice to have a dealer that keeps US made UZI parts in stock.

Hell, our dealers are lucky to be able to keep Mosin Nagants in stock. :clap

It is nice, my local dealer is a retired military arms instructor, and the shop manager is a retired PMC, both those guys are an endless resource of knowledge when it comes to most military style firearms, and they have a huge inventory of parts and popular military firearms you can want for. Its the kind of old school shop you rarely see any more, if you need a part or advice, just haul your gun in there, they always take it down, look it over, dissapear into the back room for what seems forever, and sure enough every time they manage to come back out with what you need, and never charge a penny for anything but the parts. I like to patronize them whenever I can, I wish there more dealers like that left these days.

[timgunfreak]

[QUOTE=chicom9mm]Thanks again for the help guys! I got lucky today and found all the parts I needed locally at a dealer and scored 2 like new IMI folding stocks as well.

Do you still need the welded IMI folder?, let us know if you want to sell it

t

[johnnywitt]

Actually 922r applies to the manufacture of the weapon not to the possession of the weapon. The manufacture or putting evil features on the weapon is a felony. The possession as I understand it has no penalty. I have spoke with more than one ATF agent who has stated that 922r is unenforceable. I think that the US parts manufactures and dealers wire people up into a frenzy that they don't need to be in. If any one can site a case where an individual was prosecuted under 922r I'd sure like to have it so that I could look at the case.

Richard

So, lemme get this straight. If you buy say, an AK, and the seller tells you it's 922(r) compliant, and later, at the range, an ATF agent wants to check it out and it's found to be non compliant, you don't face any charges because you didn't put the thing together?

[garandman]

Actually 922r applies to the manufacture of the weapon not to the possession of the weapon. The manufacture or putting evil features on the weapon is a felony. The possession as I understand it has no penalty. I have spoke with more than one ATF agent who has stated that 922r is unenforceable. I think that the US parts manufactures and dealers wire people up into a frenzy that they don't need to be in. If any one can site a case where an individual was prosecuted under 922r I'd sure like to have it so that I could look at the case.

Richard

Prolly true, but for about fitty bux, ain't no way I'm gonna be the crash test dummy to see if yer right.

Sure its a dumb law.

But its dumber to poke the Fed gov't in the eye on this one.

[eodinert]

So, lemme get this straight. If you buy say, an AK, and the seller tells you it's 922(r) compliant, and later, at the range, an ATF agent wants to check it out and it's found to be non compliant, you don't face any charges because you didn't put the thing together?

Since there is no requirement to mark the parts, how could he tell you were non-compliant? Even if there is a great big 'Made in USA' on all the parts, does that really mean they are made in the USA?

[Glockdude1]

If any one can site a case where an individual was prosecuted under 922r I'd sure like to have it so that I could look at the case.

Richard

I work in a large Federal prison. I have never had a inmate get locked up for a 922 violation. The "10 year $250,000 fine" is a worn out Cliché.

:smash

[chicom9mm]

[QUOTE=chicom9mm]Thanks again for the help guys! I got lucky today and found all the parts I needed locally at a dealer and scored 2 like new IMI folding stocks as well.

Do you still need the welded IMI folder?, let us know if you want to sell it

t

I'm going to keep the welded folder, but I am selling one of the Norincos with the wood thumbhole and a folding stock, anybody want one?

[rlowe]

So, lemme get this straight. If you buy say, an AK, and the seller tells you it's 922(r) compliant, and later, at the range, an ATF agent wants to check it out and it's found to be non compliant, you don't face any charges because you didn't put the thing together?

922r states

(r) It shall be unlawful for any person to assemble from imported parts any semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun which is identical to any rifle or shotgun prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) of this chapter as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes except that this subsection shall not apply to -


(1) the assembly of any such rifle or shotgun for sale or distribution by a licensed manufacturer to the United States or any department or agency thereof or to any State or any department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or


(2) the assembly of any such rifle or shotgun for the purposes of testing or experimentation authorized by the Secretary.

And, 925(d)(3) states

§ 925. Exceptions: Relief from disabilities

(d) The Attorney General shall authorize a firearm or ammunition to be imported or brought into the United States or any possession thereof if the firearm or ammunition—

(3) is of a type that does not fall within the definition of a firearm as defined in section 5845(a) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 and is generally recognized as particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes, excluding surplus military firearms, except in any case where the Attorney General has not authorized the importation of the firearm pursuant to this paragraph, it shall be unlawful to import any frame, receiver, or barrel of such firearm which would be prohibited if assembled; or

Maybe I'm missing something but I can't find any prohibition on possession. Now, I'm not a lawyer and I may be overlooking something.