Uzi Pistol converted to Carbine

[timgunfreak]

Has anyone ever converted a Uzi Pistol (Micro size) into a Carbine?, just curious, it would have to have like a 20"+ barrel, just interested to see if anyone has custom made one, especially if they have a photo of it.

T

[RoverDave]

Yup, it has been done. Picture here:
http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17065

[cpermd]

Curiousity is getting to me.

Why??

CP

[Quarterbore]

Darned if I could justify it... I thought a Semi Auto Mini looked goofy and I SBRed mine... I can't imagine owning a Micro Carbine. That should be put on a Form 1 and SBRed and then you would have a fun little tool.

[RoverDave]

There are no form 1's in Australia.

[Quarterbore]

Good catch :nutkick

Are SBRs illegal in Australia or how would a semiauto version of a micro be regulated...

[timgunfreak]

Good catch :nutkick

Are SBRs illegal in Australia or how would a semiauto version of a micro be regulated...

My semi auto Micro Uzi was eventually regulated like this >

[timgunfreak]

and this

[timgunfreak]

and finally like this

[JDP7]

Ouch!!! That brings a tear to my eye.:salute

[Quarterbore]

Really sucks!

Here in the USA,we have a lot of boating accidents and guns fall out of boats all the time. Hell, I lost an AR-15 or two myself while out goose hunting...

Does that happen much in the land of Oz? What happens if you do not have a gun on the surender list?

I guess if they ever wanted to find my guns I lost I could point them to the general area of Lake Erie where I had them fall out of the boat

:brick

[timgunfreak]

Really sucks!

Here in the USA,we have a lot of boating accidents and guns fall out of boats all the time. Hell, I lost an AR-15 or two myself while out goose hunting...

Does that happen much in the land of Oz?


Yes, there were some who took their semi auto rifles on fishing trips just before the 97 rifle buyback, and accidently dropped them overboard, the popular fishing holes were very deep,and infested with crocodiles.

Those "fishermen" were then chaged with breaching their firearms license conditions, you cant hunt crocodiles, they are protected here, even if one is chewing your arm off, and self defence never has and never will be a accepted reason to possess a gun here.

The other problem with all those "accidents" is Australia 2007 is a very different place to Australia 97, we now have the worst drought in history at the moment, and those deep waterholes are in many cases bone dry, and the police have long memories.

My Uzi Micro semi auto was on the banned list because I could not supply a factory 10rd mag for it (it was 9mm). To not be on the banned list it had to be not over 45cal, have a barrel over 120mm (100mm for revolvers) and have a magazine not exceeding 10rds (crimping,blocking etc mags to 10rds not allowed).

If you look at the details on the reciept, you will see the barrel was a non factory length. I had it made, but couldnt find a 10rd Uzi 9mm mag, and they would only accept factory mags. Too bad it wasnt a 45cal Uzi Pistol


As for SBR's in Australia, no such thing, at least in my state, if the weapon is under 75cm (excluding full autos), it is a pistol. Here is my semi auto Factory CZ Skorpion, registered as a pistol>

http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2500/2596.htm

I would assume in the US that would be an SBR, and probably why they were never imported there, although I have seen them for sale in Canada.

The reason I started this whole thread is I needed a photo of a Uzi Micro semi auto made into a carbine. They were done here in small numbers prior to 97, I saw one, very crude, had a Sten mk 3 stock welded on, and a tube solded to the pistol barrel.

I have a trial comming up in a few weeks where I have been charged with illegally possessing a semi auto Uzi.

I registered it under an amnesty here in 2004, it was categorised by a licensed firearms dealer as a PISTOL, police registerd it as a PISTOL (and took the registration fee), and issued a registration cetificate for it as a PISTOL.

As soon as the amnesty ended, I got raided, Uzi was seized, and now they say its a CARBINE, because you "could" put a stock on it, and you "could" put a longer barrel on it.

The Uzi is a full size Uzi, had no stock, and 9" barrel at the time it was seized.

Correct me if Iam wrong, but there are FULL SIZE semi auto Uzi PISTOLS available in the US?

I finally got to see it a couple of weeks ago, first time since January 2005. It has been sitting in a police warehouse for nearly 3 years, rusting away in some areas. Photo attached.

So what is it, a pistol or carbine???

Remember, prior to me acquiring it and registering it, it was unregistered, and therefore on the books as nothing.

Thats why I wanted a photo of a semi auto Micro Uzi in carbine configuration, if the police want to argue you can put a stock and long barrel on the seized Uzi, making it a carbine, the same can be said for a semi auto Micro Uzi, and my CZ Skorpion which is a PISTOL, and my semi auto MAC 10 which has a folder and is a PISTOL. Those weapons too were also made in carbine configuration, as were many other less offensive weapons such as Lugers.

T

[Quarterbore]

Yes, here in the USA we go have full sized UZI pistols. Vector Arms used to have pics of a couple on their website but they just reworked their site and those pics look to be gone :paranoid

Just the same, you can see a dealer with one listed here:

http://www.eastcoastfirearms.com/gallery/default.asp?Image=VAUZIpistolR.JPG&Page=&parent_id=109&child_id=149&is_gallery=0

Here in the USA, if a receiver is built as a pistol, we are allowed to convert it to a rifle and back to a pistol again later by first adding a long barrel and stock... and later... removing the long barrel and stock.

Your photo above would be classified as a pistol IF it was built as a pistol FIRST. If this had a stock on it and the stock was removed (before it was assembled as a pistol), then it would be a rifle. US laws on rifle vs pistol are quite complicated and difficult to explaine! It all has to do with initial configuration when built.

I wish you luck... I am quite worried that some day we will be in a similar situation but then again, I lose more guns then I buy :paranoid

[AGG]

and this

NOOOOOOOOOO! :milk

[boomka]

Yes, here in the USA we go have full sized UZI pistols. Vector Arms used to have pics of a couple on their website but they just reworked their site and those pics look to be gone

Vector also seems to have eliminated the long barrel carbine with folding stock :cry , glad I got mine last spring :smart

[Destiny]

Do you want it to be a pistol or a Carbine ? If you want it to be a pistol... call up Vector and have them send you a rear sling swivel and take that to your trial.... can't mount a stock with one of those in place.

If you want it to be a carbine... order a wood stock and a long barrel ???

Or is the Old Lady missing something ?.... I have a Vector Catalog I could mail you in Auzzie Land that shows a full sized pistol and the only difference between it and your picture is the rear swivel sling.


Destiny

[timgunfreak]

the only difference between it and your picture is the rear swivel sling.


Destiny

You mean one of these , once again, this pic was taken 2 weeks ago, the Uzi has been in police custody since 11 January 2005. It had the rear sling swivel on the gun the day it was seized.

If you want to PM with regards to your offer of sending me a Vector catalog, that would be great, I am paypal verified, so I can cover all expenses. I have printouts of Vectors old website with the Full Size Uzi Pistols, and printouts of every Gunbroker auction featuring a Full Size Uzi Pistol. Our own idependant ballistics expert has classified the Uzi in the photo as a Pistol.

We have a meeting with the DA soon, maybe it wont make it to trial, its not a case of what I want it to be, it was registered as a pistol, I am licensed to own pistols. I am NOT licensed to own operable semi auto rifles (almost no one is here), the police say its a rifle, if it goes to trial, a jury decides, if they decide its a pistol, I have committed no offence, I get the Uzi back, I do NOT get my legal expenses back (10K+ so far), if they decide its a rifle, then I unlawfully possessed a semi auto rifle, the fact that it was registered under an amnesty is irrelivant. Unlawful possession of a semi auto rifle here = JAIL!

T

[drw]

Good luck to you and please keep us informed of the outcome of this situation.