Vector F/A Help Stuck .22 case

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Shooting my F/A vector .22 conversion kit and one of the cases blew the rear off the shell Leaving a stuck case in the barrel.

There is about 1/4 inch of case stuck inside 1/8 from the rear opening
I found 3 or 4 cases slightly bulged at the base showing that they were sticking slightly out when they fired. Only fired a few mags before this happened and the gun was clean. I've never had a stuck case before.

What do i need to get the stuck case out ?
Anyone have this happen to them on a 22 kit ? possible cause ?

[johnnywitt]

Shooting my F/A vector .22 conversion kit and one of the cases blew the rear off the shell Leaving a stuck case in the barrel.

There is about 1/4 inch of case stuck inside 1/8 from the rear opening
I found 3 or 4 cases slightly bulged at the base showing that they were sticking slightly out when they fired. Only fired a few mags before this happened and the gun was clean. I've never had a stuck case before.

What do i need to get the stuck case out ?
Anyone have this happen to them on a 22 kit ? possible cause ?

Use a cleaning rod to get the case out. Can you take your barrel and drop a .22 cartridge in freely and when you turn the barrel over have the shell fall out with no resistance? If not, then your chamber is probably too tight. Might have to have Vector open it up a bit more.

[prebans]

While I'm no expert on Uzi .22lr conversions (never could get mine to work!), I've had to remove more than one stuck case without head from a .22lr chamber. My method isn't elegant but it does work.

Remove the barrel from the gun. Grab a cleaning rod and a NEW brass brush. Put the rod with brush attached into the chamber and slowly twist to turn the brush. Usually the brush will catch against the case and the case may begin turning with the brush inside the chamber. Then slowly pull the brush (with case) from the chamber. If the case only partially comes out, gentle but consistent pulling with a needle nose pliers on what part of the case did come out usually does the trick.

If the case won't come out at all, somehow plug the chamber end. I've used duct tape in the past; just cover over the chamber and then tape once around the barrel. Pour in enough Kroil to completely submerge the remnants of the stuck case. Put the barrel into a plastic cup you don't care about to catch any leaks and let it sit overnight. Remove the tape, dump out the Kroil, and wipe out the excess Kroil with a pass or two from a bore snake. (The case came out with the snake once!) Then try what was mentioned above again with the rod and brush.

If this didn't work, I'd consider freezing the barrel in your freezer and/or boiling it in water on the stove. Not sure of the science end, but metals expand and contract at different rates. That might help with removal, but this is only a trick I've heard about- no direct experience. Check with others or with Vector before attempting that.

Good luck,

Mike

[Vegas SMG]

I never had a single broken case, or an out of battery bulged case like what you're describing. Never broke an extractor either although I wore one out. IMHO, the Vector .22 conversion kit doesn't fit your gun correctly and both need to go back to Vector for proper trunion alignment of your Uzi. The issue isn't with the chamber, it's the barrel alignment. The rounds are being forced in at an unusual angle and ignited before they can be completely seated. I've heard and seen the out of battery case bulging condition before, but I've never heard of a case actually separate in one of the .22 conversion kits.

I've seen first hand the bulging case condition in another friend's F.S., F.A. Vector with the .22 conversion. You could hear the constant loud pops from the ejection port and pick up tons of bulged cases after firing. I can certainly see how the back of a case can be completely blown out after seeing his brass! He had to send the gun and the kit back to Vector to have the trunion re-aligned to get it running correctly. This trunion misalignment is so slight, it doesn't make a real difference in 9mm or .45acp, but seems to really manifest itself in the much smaller .22 LR. round.

Sorry, I didn't answer to question on how to remove the brass, BUT I want you to enjoy your kit and unfortunately I believe the gun needs to go to Vector for that to happen. I'd think that a good .22 cleaning rod with a brass jag along with the cleaning brush Open Bolts suggested should remove the ruptured case.

Best of luck!

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Cleaning rod and brush won't get it out. it's in tight. I know at least one round jammed behind it with the bolt closing on it. I'm going to soak it in oil but i don't have any kroil. Who sells kroil ? I see alot of guys mention it
I need to go pick some up.
Thanks for the tips Any other idea's?

[prebans]

Cleaning rod and brush won't get it out. it's in tight. I know at least one round jammed behind it with the bolt closing on it. I'm going to soak it in oil but i don't have any kroil. Who sells kroil ? I see alot of guys mention it
I need to go pick some up.
Thanks for the tips Any other idea's?

Wait a minute- so you've got a stuck case missing its head and a projectile is lodged in the barrel? Or am I misunderstanding?

I purchased Kroil from Brownells. Be advised that it's HAZMAT and can only go ground. Kroil is GREAT to have around. You may not use or need it much, but when you do, you definitely do.

Mike

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No i just have an empty brass casing with the rear portion blown off stuck in the chamber (no bullet in the barrel just brass in the chamber )

I was thinking that the bullet that feed part of the way in after the casing exploded and was pounded by the bolt going foward might be why it's jammed all the way in so tight.

Sorry for the misunderstanding
is kroil Penetrating oil if so what's second best to try something i can get local. trying WD 40 now

[prebans]

No i just have an empty brass casing with the rear portion blown off stuck in the chamber (no bullet in the barrel just brass in the chamber )

I was thinking that the bullet that feed part of the way in after the casing exploded and was pounded by the bolt going foward might be why it's jammed all the way in so tight.

Sorry for the misunderstanding
is kroil Penetrating oil if so what's second best to try something i can get local. trying WD 40 now

Okay, so it's just the brass case minus head.

Kroil has no second. Seriously. While you can try WD-40, gun oil, etc., Kroil has no equal. My advice is to just stop and order from Brownells. You WILL use it for other things in the future.

If you are truly opposed, I'd make a last-ditch attempt with either freezing or boiling the barrel. Someone here has to know the expansion rates of steel and brass.

But seriously, get the Kroil. Even if the freeze/boil works, get the Kroil.

Mike

[quizkid]

In general, when cleaning your barrels, have you ever tried changing the direction of the bronze brush while it is in the barrel? Kinda locks-up but gives way if you rotate or just pull real hard. Think about why that is happening and use that concept to remove the shell remnant from the breech. Use a brand new .22 bronze brush or go a size larger and use a .243 bronze brush. Screw the brush to a good stout pistol length cleaning rod with a solid handle. Insert the brush only deep enough to engage the case and none of the barrel. Use tape to mark the depth of the case if needed. Pull like the dickens STRAIGHT out with no twisting. Twisting will only "unlock" the bristles from the casing.

Never experienced this myself but this technique might be worth a try.

[johnnywitt]

Those Dewey jags are pretty tight and have serrated type edges to them, maybe one in .243 would get it out with some twisting.

[Vegas SMG]

Those Dewey jags are pretty tight and have serrated type edges to them, maybe one in .243 would get it out with some twisting. I like the brass Dewey jags! Worth a try and one of my favorite cleaning tools is a 12 volt cordless drill attached to a cleaning rod. ;) There, my fast and easy cleaning secret is out.

[quizkid]

Just had another thought. If you are REEEEEELY careful, an easy-out might loosen it up for you.

[jlbua]

Anybody consider a Gunsmith, they can take it out in 2 minutes without damaging your firearm

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Got it out
should i try and polish the chamber area?
What do you use to polish the a chamber ?

[RoverDave]

Got it out

What? No explanation of how you got it out?

[Cohiba]

I'm seriously thinking about getting a reamer and just barely opening up the chamber so all (Long Rifle) 22's will slide in without a problem.


Cohiba

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Got it out with a drill bit by hand. It fit into the broken shell without touching the inside of the barrel. slowly twisted and it cut it very thin with many small pieces breaking and coming out as i went. I was able to push the last small piece out with a jag and patch.

Chamber looks good and bullets fall out with ease. No gouges to the barrel.
still want to polish the area to make sure there isn't any rough spots that would cause another jam.

The other methods didn't work for me.