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Sniper
01-23-2003, 02:05 AM
This is from Jayhawk he had some great info on the uzi thought to share with all:


The UZI is one of the few Guns that did not require polishing or tuning before it would function properly. The test gun started life as a Semi-auto model A. As a semi-auto, I did experience a problem with stovepipes. This was caused by the cut away extractor that comes standard in the Semi model. I suppose the idea behind this was to cause unreliable functioning if the gun was illegally converted to fire full auto with the existing Semi bolt. Unfortunately, it did it's job in Semi-auto fire also. So if you have this problem on a Semi, change the extractor to the standard wide lip Full Auto part.

I also had a few failures to feed. I polished the feed ramp but the failures still occurred. When loading UZI magazines, they need to be given a sharp rap on the back of the mag about every 5 rounds loaded. Problem solved.

The Gun was converted by replacing the two piece closed bolt Semi-Auto bolt with the standard one piece Full Auto bolt, plus a few other minor machining operations that I won't go into since this is not a manual on how to convert a Semi to a Full Auto UZI.

After the conversion, the only problem I had was a worn out action spring at about 15,000 rounds and several after market magazines would not work right. Stick to the IMI 25 and 32 round mags. The original wide lip extractor still works perfectly. The spring failed by warping, not by losing it's strength, so you need to watch out for that. It felt just fine when the bolt was manually retracted, but was rubbing on the hole in the bolt, slowing down the bolt movement resulting in failure to fire and/or ejection problems. A new spring was installed and it works perfectly again. It took me a while to solve the problem, so in the mean time, I polished everything and coated the bolt and inside the receiver with my standard cure all Sandstrom 9A. It wasn't needed, but it didn't hurt anything either. It should make the gun last even longer.

Reloading for the UZI

I use reduced load lead bullets exclusively in this gun and they function just fine. I rarely have any problems and they are almost always caused by out of spec reloads. 9mms really need to be roll sized. Otherwise you need to pay careful attention when reloading and reject any rounds that leave a bulge or a ridge near the base. The UZI is more forgiving in this respect than many other guns though, and you can get away with less perfection with it. You do need to use rather hard cast bullets, and keep velocity to about 800 fps, or you will get lots of leading. My guns extractor rips little pieces out of the rim of the cartridge with every shot. Looks terrible, but does not affect functioning. I am still using many of the same cases I started out with years ago, and they still work great. Who knows how many times they have been reloaded.

Accuracy

My Gun will shoot about 12" groups at 100 yards from a rest in semi auto. I don't know if this is typical. On Full Auto, the Gun is rather hard to control despite its weight. If you want to stay proficient you will need to practice on a regular basis. I get the best results with a very tight grip and a weight forward stance. Cyclic rate is about 650 rpm.

Sights

I think the standard Model A UZI sights are terrible. I modified mine to a ghost ring, and it is much better. I also use an Armson OEG. It is a very fast sight and is ideal for this type of firearm. The Red Dot can disappear during Full Auto fire though, cause the Gun jumps around so much. I will try a Trijicon Reflex on it, if I ever get one. (I hope).

UZI SBR AWC
01-26-2003, 08:48 PM
I had problem when I SBR'd mine. I bought/use 2 of the 10" barrels from Olympic, I kept blowing the base off or buldging the case. Finally I took and did a sort of homie headspace check. I ended up macihning the barrel flange about 15 thousandths, so when a empty case is chambered and barrel set into the trunnion, there is a 10-12 thou gap, and when barrel nut installed, the bolt moves back slightly, I know now the case is supported front and rear,,, no more blow-outs or buldged cases here. The IMI barrel was no shownig any problem.

JIMBO
02-25-2003, 03:59 PM
Sniper-

Thanks for all of your hard work putting this post together. There is a lot of useful information here. It is all the more useful because it is your personal experience with your own weapon. This is what makes this forum so great. Personal experiences and information exchanged between members.

We all appreciate you sharing the secrets to the repair or adjustment with all of us. I am sure people will refer to your post time and time again if they experience any of the same problems you have and it is valuable to have answers here. I appreciate you reporting your accuracy results but you didn't mention the barrel length on your gun or it's general condition. You may be able to tighten your 100 yrd. groups a bit by trying some different ammo recipes. We have worked very hard to put together a spreadsheet of reloads that he can send to you in a zipped file as there is too much info to post. Many of his loads are tested in and for his SMG but will most likely help your 12" groups tighten. He has done some work with sub sonic loads aswell.

Have you tried a scope of any kind on your UZI ? This may help with your long distance groups too. Open sites are best for closer distances as I am sure you know. Keep us updated with your experiences at the range and any new info you pick up along the way. Thanks again for a great report. :thumbs_up :biggrin2

Richard Cranium
02-25-2003, 04:23 PM
Not to ask a stupid question but what is roll sizing?

UZI SBR AWC
02-25-2003, 04:56 PM
Here you go- 1 case rolling machine--- www.casepro.net

IPSC shooters use it, especially for 38 Super, to get a few more loads out of deformed cases. Some volume brass sales places use them also.

Richard Cranium
02-25-2003, 05:31 PM
Wow! I've been doing pretty good with my Dillon dies so far, so I think I'll stick with 'em. I've had really good reliability with mine thus far. I polished the feed ramp and chamber mirror smooth. Its simple and it works.

I also load 3.8 gr. WW 231 whether I'm using 125 gr or 147 gr bullets. There subsonic either way and have enough energy not to run away on SA. I started using Speer hardened lead/graphite bullets and they work well with less fouling also. Thats my home brew for ya'. I like the VV powders (NN 320)but there way to damn expensive.

Tucson Dick

JIMBO
02-26-2003, 06:15 AM
UZI SBR AWC-

Like wise on the congrats for making Marksman. We appreciate your consistency and quality posts.:thumbs_up

UZI SBR AWC
02-26-2003, 10:58 AM
I didn't do it..... If I have a sensible answer to a question asked, I will try to answer the question or reply with what I have seen or done that has worked and may be of value to next fella. May even save him/her some greif.

Thanks everybody.



Small EDIT, because I fail to spell correctly sometimes.

JIMBO
02-27-2003, 11:44 PM
UZI SBR AWC-

YES, you did do it! You did your part. That is precisely the power of this forum. Knowledge and experience shared. We all can only be in one place at a time. Our ability to gather and distribute information, experiences and and what we learn in our every day lives as it pertains to this forum is the power in numbers. You see, the last time you went shooting or went to a gunshow or talked to someone who shared a nugget of information or wisdom with you empowered you to bring that information here to share with us. Our ability to learn about and experience UZI's and their attributes has been multiplied by 224 as of now. Each member of this forum has the ability to bring unique and special information here to share.

So you see, you DID do it! Every time we post something to share we do OUR small part for the benefit of the forum. No matter how insignificant we think it may be. Remember, it could be just EXACTLY what somebody else needs to hear to cure a problem they have been having with their MINI or MICRO.

Congrats on reaching Marksman! :clap :clap