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jurist
02-05-2004, 10:04 PM
Walther P22 Review

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Positives:
1. Highly Accurate
2. .22 Caliber
3. Small Size (On a big guy, it is easily concealable – my pocket – anywhere; the size makes me certain that this would be the case with smaller people as well)
4. Large number of readily available accessories (target barrel, barrel weights, thread adapters, suppressors, compensators, tactical lights, lasers [for the wannabe bad boys], holsters, etc.)
5. Double Stack 10 round mags (should the assault weapons ban expire there is plenty of room in the magazine for Walther begin selling 15+ round mags that are exactly the same size as the present mags with no modification to the mag body)
6. German Quality (Great balance/Quality-Durable External Finish)
7. Interchangeable back straps to allow for a better fit for different sized hands. (fits large hands comfortably)
8. Three Dot Sights
9. Tactical Mounting Rail
10. Square trigger guard for two hand shooting

Negatives:
1. Smith & Wesson imports the Walther P22 and other Walther products under the Walther America name and as a result Smith & Wesson’s gunsmiths provide service – sadly they are probably even less competent gunsmiths when it comes to Walthers than most computer techs are at repairing Model A Fords.
2. Jamming
-----a. Failures to eject (ejector spring may not be tight enough to maintain a good grip on the rim of the shell)
-----b. Chambering an empty round (occasionally the slide will eject the spent casing but fail to chamber the next round although the mag is loaded)
-----c. Slide will not always chamber the round completely causing the slide to lock partially opened. (When this happens if you tap the side of the slide, the slide will continue its forward motion and load the next round.)
-----d. Stove piping
3. Poor Fitting
-----a. Beneath the barrel nut and the barrel sleeve, the tip of the barrel looks like it was cut about 3/4s of the way and the rest broken off.
-----b. Feed ramp is narrow and sharp preventing a large variety of .22 ammo to function reliably.
-----c. The Chamber is just slightly too small. (The fact that the chamber is slightly too small makes it necessary to clean the barrel and chamber often and prevents the reliable functioning of some brands of ammunition.)
-----d. The Barrel and chamber are not completely welded to the trunion/feed ramp, which allows a very small amount gas to escape.
-----e. Slide to frame fitting is rough in some places which results in failures to load a round completely.
-----f. Magazines do not always fit as tightly as they should.
4. Poor Finishing of Internals
-----a. Finish on the barrel sleeve is of poor quality and is prone to rusting.
-----b. Finish on the inside of the slide is of poor quality and is prone to rusting.
-----c. Chamber is stainless steel however it would function more reliably if it was chrome due to the fact that .22s tend to be dirty.
5. Decockers are dangerous. (I am not a fan of safety’s in fact I never use them. I am even a bigger opponent of decockers. The Walther P22 substitutes a safety for a decocker. This decocker is simply dangerous for any person intending to use the P22 as a carry pistol. Just imagine a thug with a bat/knife/gun rushing at you while all you hear is click…click…click from your trusty pistol rather than the expected triple tap’s bang…bang…bang).
6. The Walther P22 comes standard with a chamber/barrel lock in the case -What it should have come standard with was a dremel tool to polish away the rough spots on the internals that Walther didn’t get around to fixing during the manufacturing process.
7. Mag release is in an awkward position for some shooters (press down on the trigger guard rather than a button as with the CZ-75 and most other automatics.). I did not have a problem with the location however I have observed other shooters who dropped the mag inadvertently several times before they got used to its location.
8. Out of the box the P22 prefers CCI ammo (especially CCI Mini-Mags) to function reliably. Other brands especially, standard velocity bulk ammo often functions less than reliably in a stock pistol. Problems can occur prior to polishing away manufacturing imperfections if you do not use high velocity ammunition. Additionally, the small chamber size makes firing .22 bullets that have been moly/wax coated function poorly after several mags and no cleaning. After polishing, I can now use Aguila SSS (SubSonic Sniper [60 grain .22 caliber]) in my carry weapon and have never encountered a problem.

Conclusion
It should be noted now that not all P22’s have these problems – some function absolutely flawlessly straight from the factory. Either manufacturing of the P22 was not exact in all cases or the reports are true that Walther has responded to the problems they have heard about and attempted to address them in successive productions.

Taken on a whole, the Walther P22 is an excellent pistol and can function reliably with minor polishing done at home with a dremel tool. Given its small size, accuracy, balance, quality and the large number of readily available accessories it is an excellent pistol at a reasonable price (approx. $245) that can prove a highly reliable carry weapon.

cookie
02-06-2004, 11:31 AM
Excellent and very thorough review. This is a great example of how to do one.

ArevaloSOCOM
10-17-2005, 01:55 AM
Love mine.


had a few FTF, and FTE but overall the best, and most fun gun i own.


This gun is the reason I REALLY want to get tno the class 3 stuff, for suppresors.

Brian Ski
10-17-2005, 06:59 PM
Jurist... How long ago did you get it??? I heard the early ones had some problems and the later ones were better....

Arevalo... When you hitting the range next??? I will have to bring my Tac65 out with the adapter and see how you like it....

ArevaloSOCOM
10-17-2005, 07:03 PM
Originally posted by Brian Ski
Jurist... How long ago did you get it??? I heard the early ones had some problems and the later ones were better....

Arevalo... When you hitting the range next??? I will have to bring my Tac65 out with the adapter and see how you like it....



If it warms up a little more I'm game.


I still owe you a trip out there though.......

If off every other weekend , I was of this last weekend.


Let me know.:D

Brian Ski
10-17-2005, 07:14 PM
Originally posted by ArevaloSOCOM
If it warms up a little more I'm game.


I still owe you a trip out there though.......

If off every other weekend , I was of this last weekend.


Let me know.:D

Pick a decent weekend... Sounds like they are bumping me to work Saturdays starting in Nov... But I get Mondays off.....

ArevaloSOCOM
10-17-2005, 11:26 PM
Originally posted by Brian Ski
Pick a decent weekend... Sounds like they are bumping me to work Saturdays starting in Nov... But I get Mondays off.....


November too cold?

is your range over there outside?



If so, we'll have to wait til spring........

Let me know and then I'll pick a weekend.

No rifles on that range right?



:D

Brian Ski
10-18-2005, 09:23 PM
Originally posted by ArevaloSOCOM
November too cold?

is your range over there outside?



If so, we'll have to wait til spring........

Let me know and then I'll pick a weekend.

No rifles on that range right?

No rifles.... But don't like walking around much in the snow!!!

It is outdoors but it has a little wind break....

ArevaloSOCOM
10-19-2005, 01:31 AM
Originally posted by Brian Ski
No rifles.... But don't like walking around much in the snow!!!

It is outdoors but it has a little wind break....


Ok I'll quit hijacking this thread after this post.

IM me the adress of this range.

I am off on Sat Nov 12th?

Mind if I bring a buddy and my father in alw?

IM me the info and let me know if this works for you........

Hijack over.:D

toomanymachines
12-16-2005, 08:35 PM
I love my long barreled model p22.. Does the 99 run as well as the p22?

gunbunny
12-19-2005, 11:34 AM
Mine does, but it is a P-990, a DAO version of the P-99. It shoots great, feels great, and I never had a problem with feed or extraction.

Other points to consider: I shoot my own reloads, 147gr trunticated cone bullets, so I don't know how well it shoots with factory stuff. The magazines are extremely expensive! You can get 15 round magazines for it if you buy the S&W version, or else your stuck with 10 rounders. The DAO has a very long, heavy (8lbs) trigger pull, but it can be lightened a little bit. The P-99 and P-99QA does not have the same problems.

I am biased towards Walther products, having shot them from young childhood.

RoverDave
12-19-2005, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by ArevaloSOCOM
http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=107331

Latest satellite photo...

stymie
12-19-2005, 04:26 PM
NO crop circles?
;)

762-4-U
01-07-2006, 01:03 PM
I have one, and just screw on my the suppressor and you have a great little 22 pistol that no one can hear :twoguns

Fr8 Dawg
01-10-2006, 12:11 PM
I have one, and just screw on my the suppressor and you have a great little 22 pistol that no one can hear :twoguns

Same here. I bought one of the Lauer Custom Weaponry package deals. .22 is fun, but it sure is dirty.

Sounds like one of those PSP commercials with the two squirrels...

"It's a nut, you can play with outside."

ArevaloSOCOM
01-11-2006, 04:19 AM
:jester


Sorry for the crappy pic, i' just started learning how to take pic on a digital camera, i'll post one to make it up to you kiddies.


My gun + Ski'd Can = Most fun you can leaglly have with a .22.


Ok, maybe Ski's 270 round .22lr machine gun, but this kicked ass too.


:gym

jurist
07-19-2006, 01:04 AM
I just wanted to let everyone know, as I noted in my review a little over two years ago, there should be a magazine upgrade that will allow P22 mags to be converted to high capacity magazines.

Well folks, the upgrade is finally here.

Tactical Inc is selling a replacement follower to upgrade P22 mags to 13rds mags and its pretty cheap.

http://www.tacticalinc.com/walther-replacementbrhigh-capacity-magazine-follower-p-358.html
Their advertisement provides the following information about the upgrade:


"This newly manufactured part quickly replaces the follower in your Walther P22/G22 factory magazine for a new total capacity of 13 rounds! Full-color installation instructions included.

Easy to install in seconds! No special tools or gunsmithing required!

Please note: The P22 magazine button is designed to lock back the slide once the last round has been fired. Since our 10+3 follower does not utilize this part, the slide will not lock back after firing the last round in the magazine. This does not affect the operation of the firearm."

Endless Steven
07-19-2006, 09:14 AM
So the magazines are the same from the G22 to the P22?

Very cool. I think that G22 is about the slickest little 22 out there.

jurist
07-19-2006, 11:21 AM
It would be cool except they are not the same magazines. My understanding is that the followers, springs, magazine bodies are the same mags but the magazine floorplates are different because of the different angle at the base of the two guns. I don't understand why Walther didn't do like Beretta did with the C4x Storm which uses Beretta 92 mags. They could have easily designed the guns to use the same mags. I'd almost like to blame it on S&W but don't think they probably bear the blame this time.

videcormeum
07-25-2006, 09:28 PM
I just purchased a new P22 from the local gunshop. It cost a little more than I originally planned to pay for the gun (a few dollars over list), but the gunshop here includes a 1 year, zero questions, zero cost warranty for all new gun sales. Since jurist noted that S&W's gunsmiths are incompetent, I decided to go w/ a local vendor/shop.

I've attached a picture.

I'll be at the range tomorrow so I'll try to post up my impressions then.

M.

Mike Duke
07-26-2006, 03:15 AM
I still think they're junk.
And Mine is still a piece of crap.

videcormeum
07-26-2006, 01:48 PM
Well, I just got back from the range.

The gun does NOT like Federal ammunition. :slap I had 3 FTE's and 1 FTF in 36 rounds.

By that time I got frustrated and decided to try something else.

I bought 100 rounds of CCI Mini-Mag (40 grain, 1235 FPS) and shot all 100 without a single failure. :twoguns

I'm a little disapointed that the gun is choosy w/ ammo, but overall I'm very satisfied.

M.