Triple XXX .223 suppressor?

[Fr8 Dawg]

Anybody have any experience with the the triple XXX by American MFG?

My dealer is telling me it is too big, too heavy and has corrosion inside of it, even though it is new. He also said the exit hole on the end looks too big for .223.

If anybody has anything to say about the triple XXX .223 suppressor I would appreciate it.

I know It is an entry level .223 suppressor, but I am still interested in hearing user comments.

[Renegade]

Probably the best suppressor for the money. There is an updated version, the "Triple-X Warrior", that is what you want.

The thing is awesome, runs on anything, can do C-Mags back-to-back, you name it. You can even have it built for 9mm, and then run it on sub-guns, bolt rifles, etc.

I see Mike is even offering QD mounts for it now too.

[tony k]

Omega Man, I've heard nothing but good about the Triple X cans. They are not quite state-of-the-art in total noise suppression, but they are about the strongest cans out there -- damn near indestructable.

As Renegade noted, on request Mike will build them with larger end-cap holes so you can use one can on both .223 and 9mm -- maybe the one you examined was built for double-duty?

[Fr8 Dawg]

As Renegade noted, on request Mike will build them with larger end-cap holes so you can use one can on both .223 and 9mm -- maybe the one you examined was built for double-duty? That would be a positive feature in my book.

I never figured for the price that it would be as good as some of the 800 dollar suppressors, and I had seen on the web site that they were capable of belt fed fire.

I'll have to get of my arse and get the paperwork done, get the thing in house and do a review. I'll probably be getting a high end unit later anyway. My dealer is pretty good but I think he is probably used to seeing guys getting the gemtecs and what not...

Thanks for your input guys.

[rustyolddog]

Don't mean to burst your bubble, but I checked with Mike a week or so ago and he said he wasn't taking any orders. He has some family issues he is dealing with at the moment. You may find some cans in inventory at a dealer. HTH

[Fr8 Dawg]

You're not busting my bubble. I bought the can from an out of state dealer almost two months ago. It came to my dealer on a Form 3, almost a month ago.

Thanks to the clothes washer transmission going to heck, an audio reciever smoke checking itself and a few other things around the house needing unforseen financial and time attention, I wasn't able to put effort into filling out the Form 4 yet.

I'll be doing that on friday. I never thought I would ever drag my own feet on getting BATF paperwork in, but I just can't get to it till friday payday. I'll be doing a corporate transfer on it, and the last suppressor I did a corporate transfer only took a month, so hopefully I'll have my XXX by the end of march, middle of april. Just in time for spring.

I was only asking about the quality of the can, as my dealer was looking at mine when it came in and he thought it was a little big in size, heavy in weight and that the hole in the end looked to big to be a .223 suppressor. He also said it looked like there was corrosion inside this brand new can, but untill I see it, I would like to think he is looking at something else.

Once again, thanks for the replies guys!

[frisco]

video of Shorty upper (11.5") and warrior can...

right click, save as... (http://home.comcast.net/~frisco_kid/images/movies/shortupperandwarrior.mpeg)

[UZI SBR AWC]

I bought a Triple-X a while back. Good sounding can, especially if you are the bystander (about 10 ft away), does what it suppossed to do.

I had a baffle strike in mine last Apil (operator error), and Mike took care of it, but I opted for an up-grade to the Warrior.....

When the can came back, it was another Triple-X.... sounded better than the original I sent back. Asked Mike about it, and he said I did not get the Warrior, send it back....

Got the Warrior about a month later....I think the Warrior is noisier to the user, but as a bystander, Warrior sounded about the same.

[mr45auto]

I just bought a triple x today. We demo'd the can and it was much louder than I thought it would be but we were in a pretty close in area, lots of trees and wet. I imagine these would hold the sound in and make it seem a bit noisier. I bought this so I could shoot without hearing protection and not piss off hunters and such so damned far away.

I just hope later on the triple x can be upgraded with a quieter baffle system. Dunno if that's possible or not but I guess I'll just wait and see.

Btw, how do you wind up with a baffle strike?

[rustyolddog]

Originally posted by mr45auto
I just bought a triple x today. We demo'd the can and it was much louder than I thought it would be but we were in a pretty close in area, lots of trees and wet. I imagine these would hold the sound in and make it seem a bit noisier. I bought this so I could shoot without hearing protection and not piss off hunters and such so damned far away.

I just hope later on the triple x can be upgraded with a quieter baffle system. Dunno if that's possible or not but I guess I'll just wait and see.

Btw, how do you wind up with a baffle strike?

FWIW, if it sounds like a loud .22LR, that is what you can expect for a .223 suppressor. You will get a report out of the ejection port and a ballistic crack as the projectile goes down range. If you are looking for Hollywood quiet from a centerfire can, you won't get it without subsonic ammo and at that point you are dealing with .22LR energies. You should be able to shoot without hearing protection but it will be at the threshold of being too loud. This is normal. Expect the action to get dirty as well, you have gas going thru the can and out the muzzle as well as gas coming back down the barrel into the action.

Baffle strikes are a result of a misalignment of the can bore to the rifle bore. If the can unscrews or isn't tightened properly, if the barrel isn't threaded concentric with the bore, all can result in baffle strikes. Also, using a can on a short barrel 11" or short can result in baffle strikes in some cans, it's the result of a huge volume of gas escaping and causing the projo to pitch & yaw as it's trying to exit with the gas.

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[mr45auto]

thanks for the info on the baffle strikes, I'll be building a 7.5" upper early next year hopefully I can avoid this problem.

[rustyolddog]

Originally posted by mr45auto
thanks for the info on the baffle strikes, I'll be building a 7.5" upper early next year hopefully I can avoid this problem.

You run a serious risk of baffle strike with a 7.5" barrel. FWIW Gemtech won't warrant their cans with short barrels.

[mr45auto]

Are any rounds more or less likely to have a baffle strike? Is there less problems if I give it another couple inches? Dont want to go much over 10" barrel length. I dont care about terminal ballistics out of a short barrel, it's just a fun gun.

[MuzzleFlash]

Call GT and talk with Kel or Dater.

They won't warrant you shooting unstable rounds through the can. What it takes to stabilize them is a function of several variables (barrel twist, mass of the round, the type of propellant and its weight, primer, etc.).

I wouldn't state categorically that it is impossible to stabilize a round in a 7.5" barrel.

Here is their statement from the 2005 catalog:

[UZI SBR AWC]

For those suppressors with tight holes, I prefer to shoot handloads with "real" bullets (premium - like Hornady, Speer), as these premium bullets tend to have long flat bearing surface for maximum rifling contact..

Those M-193 bullets are "football" shaped, and have minimal rifling contact I think. M-855/SS-109 slugs have a good bearing surface.

I was running a 7.5" with a Bowers MOUT, the holes were tight... never had a problem, most ammo through it was Hornady bullets, and some M-193 handloads. The MOUT suffered a swollen outer tube, it is now a 22LR unit after recent rebuild.

I run my WARRIOR on the 7.5" al the time, and let M16 owners use my 7.5" with WARRIOR on their lowers, heat it up till it will blacked dark green grass.

[mr45auto]

So the triple X should be okay to run with a 7.5" ?? I know the can is bored to at least .30cal or so it seemed anyhow. I'm also planning to email american mfg and see if .308 subsonic would be safe to shoot from this can. I dont plan on running any full powered .308 through it as that would probably be just too damned much for it.

[mr45auto]

Well I emailed and it was answered quickly. The can is supposed to be fine with short barrels since it's overbored a bit. He said if you use it with a .30 cal rifle you just look down the barrel and if you see nothing but daylight you're good to go. I dont know if that includes full power .308 or just the subsonics I mentioned. It'll definitely have me looking more seriously at the .300 whisper, I just wish I could find factory formed brass.

[UZI SBR AWC]

I use mine (WARIOR) on my 22-250 all the time, full power 308 should be fine. My concern would be using 1/2-28 NEF on a 30-cal barrel....

For the 300 Whisper brass, there is a fella that posts on the subguns.com reloading board once in a great while that he has 300 brass formed from 223 or 556 brass for sale (dont recall the actual case used).