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blackdogmachine
02-08-2010, 04:06 PM
Hey guys, Im trying gather info on the MP5 .22 conversion kits. Any info would be great, demand, any kits available, who has one, do they work, mods, flemming?, ect. Thanks in advance, you know where this is going!

chili17
02-08-2010, 04:47 PM
the 2 factory kits were iffy that i shot. Maybe ran 80%. They are also pricey when you could find them. Never shot a Fleming kit, but I have not heard good things.

blackdogmachine
02-08-2010, 05:05 PM
well then, time to re-invent the wheel!

emerz
02-08-2010, 05:10 PM
I owned a Fleming conversion back in the early '90s. Didn't run for crap in a Vollmer conversion or Dealer Sample MP5. The machined steel mags were rough and very inconsistent.

Build a kit and mags that work and I am in for one!

blackdogmachine
02-08-2010, 06:03 PM
:bs I saw a HK kit for $2500 -OUCH!

emerz
02-08-2010, 07:02 PM
H&K introduced a.22LR conversion kit for the MP5 in 1970. This unit consists of a barrel insert, two 20-round magazines with plastic collars and a bolt group which replaces the MP5's single-coil recoil spring with two nested-coil springs. This latter modification reduces the cyclic rate to 650 rpm. But unfortunately the MP5 conversion kit is prone to continual stoppages. With every two or three magazines, an empty case will fail to extract and the bolt will travel rearward and then forward, stripping a another round from the magazine and attempting to chamber it. Sometimes this stoppage is easy to clear, but all too often the empty case or loaded cartridge will either wedge into some inconvenient location in the bolt group or drop down into the trigger group, requiring dis-assembly of the weapon.

As the MP5 .22LR conversion kits never performed in a totally satisfactory manner, series production ceased after no more than 300-400 were manufactured. Until five years ago, these kits were rarely, if ever, seen in the United States. In November 1987, 137 of these MP5 subcaliber conversion kits were obtained from a West German police agency and imported to the United States. They are of value to collectors only. All .22LR rimfire ammunition produces excessive fouling. In general, conversion kits of this type, designed for low-cost training, operate with only marginal reliability in selective-fire weapons.


HK Factory Conversion:

http://i32.tinypic.com/2z55dle.jpg

Fleming Firearms Model:

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/146535000/146535847/pix117044281.jpg

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/146535000/146535847/pix117044078.jpg

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/146535000/146535847/pix117044234.jpg

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/146535000/146535847/pix117044187.jpg

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/146535000/146535847/pix117044015.jpg

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/146535000/146535847/pix117043968.jpg

blackdogmachine
02-08-2010, 07:18 PM
Wow! killer info emerz!

trek45
02-08-2010, 09:46 PM
Fleming kits show up for sale every now and then, the last one I saw went for $600. The problem has always been the mags though.

If there was a reliable MP5 .22 kit, there'd be a huge market for them. You might want to try hkpro.com. Lots of good info on that site.

Here's some threads on the .22 kits:
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80298 (MP5)
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41944 (HK93)
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=72549 (HK91)

Here's a cache of Fleming's old site:
http://web.archive.org/web/20031001143148/http://www.subcal.com/MP5.html

Brother_Evil
02-08-2010, 11:21 PM
Todd Bailey is supposed to be releasing a CA53AR 22lr. It will be a dedicated .22lr barreled receiver that will look like a HK53. I'm waiting on my CA53AR which will use AR-15/M16 mags but is a 53 delayed roller blow back firearm. Supposedly once those guns are released Todd will make a .22lr version that will use Ciener or Black Dog .22lr mags.

The barreled receiver is supposed to be around $500. All it will be lacking is a trigger group to be a pistol. It is supposed to be sear compatible for full auto use. If it runs it should be a lot less money than a 51 clone with a modified G-3 kit. Time will tell. I'm on the list of interested buyers.

Scott

blackdogmachine
02-09-2010, 12:06 AM
thats cool, got any links or pics?

trek45
02-09-2010, 12:26 AM
thats cool, got any links or pics?
Supposedly a limited run if it ever happens (apparently it's already been years). To be sold without a lower or paint:
http://www.hk-54.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=1627

Jmacken37
02-09-2010, 01:47 PM
Kevin,

I'm liking where this is heading!

Jakie pooh

xm15e2s
02-09-2010, 04:18 PM
Todd Bailey.
You have got to be kidding.
Are you guys not aware of who Todd is?
Do a search on google "todd bailey special weapons" before you speak of this person.

SSMDIVE
02-09-2010, 09:51 PM
Todd Bailey.
You have got to be kidding.
Are you guys not aware of who Todd is?
Do a search on google "todd bailey special weapons" before you speak of this person.


I have to be honest.... I had a problem with the finish on my SD and he said send it back and he will fix it.
He can be a little rough, but so far he has been honest and helpful.

Oh, and I might be interested in a 22 kit for it.

416Rich
02-10-2010, 07:38 PM
Tom bowers already sells UZI/HK 22lr extractors.That would be one less part to make.

http://www.subguns.org/products/extractors/

hrt4me
02-12-2010, 09:31 AM
I had two (2) of the Fleming MP5 .22lr conversion kits; one ran well, while the other did not. I sold the one which did not work well to a tinkerer, who knew it was problematic but wanted it nonetheless. I kept the other one, but now I'm interested in selling it. I think Chili17 has seen my Fleming kit at one of his subgun matches in Sanger. Anyway, BlackDogMachine, if you're looking for a Fleming kit to experiment and tinker with so you can develop mags or whatever, then I'd be glad to send you mine as a loaner...

blackdogmachine
02-12-2010, 01:39 PM
do you want to sell it to me? how much? IM me

hrt4me
02-12-2010, 10:00 PM
do you want to sell it to me? how much? IM me

I'd be interested in selling it and/or trading for some mags... I have a Norrell 10/22 and could use some of your new drums, as well as some Tommy Gun mags for the new rimfire conversion!

blackdogmachine
02-12-2010, 10:14 PM
deal

95sohc
02-12-2010, 10:53 PM
just get a gsg and sbr it

blackdogmachine
02-13-2010, 05:26 PM
because I have a F/A MP5-N, more cool. I got a GSG, to much plastic, to phony feeling. my 2cents.

D-boy
02-13-2010, 06:36 PM
When they sell me a GSG in FA I'll buy it, I don't care how plastic or phoney feeling. Problem is, that aint going to happen.

IMO, these conversions are so important because of the cost of civilian FA registered parts. That's why it's so important to me that people like Blackdog are stepping up to the plate. I'm already running their stuff in my M16, affordable and high quality! They sell a lot of semi but their work is a godsend to us FA people. These people are our brothers!

riverrat
02-24-2010, 11:15 AM
Any word on the SW53-22 guys?

riverrat
02-25-2010, 11:14 AM
Spoke to them yesterday projects still a go!!

infoseeker456
03-26-2010, 11:00 PM
Any pics of a prototype or report?

Cognard
10-09-2011, 11:57 AM
any news regarding the mp5 .22lr kit ?? i do own a g3 with the original .22lr kit and since i am getting an mp5 k shortly , i thought about making a .22lr kit for her ...if everything goes fine , i am planning to cnc make them and offer them for sale ....weak link would be the magazine ...anybody knows if gsg5 mags fits the mp5 mag well ?? i have modified 15 rd mags from semiauto imi kits and managed to make them work FLAWLESSLY in my vector f/a uzi kit ....so if the gsg5 mag fits , i could make it work also....otherwise , blackdog would make them ....

anyone interested in the project ??

HART1
10-10-2011, 12:29 PM
I heard Mike Ott is working on a .22 MP5. Todd has money problems, as the story goes. I played with one of Bills .22 kits in 2009. Jeff Walters had one that I converted and A and D 180 drum adapter to work in, but the chambers on the barrels I was told were out of spec. I seen parts of these and other kits at Bill Flemings old shop also. I'd just contact Bill and ask about this. I know they are back in biz and Wade is in charge now I guess. I haven't talked to Bill since early summer.

Brother_Evil
10-12-2011, 11:06 AM
just get a gsg and sbr it

That is fine for semi auto use, but the internals of the GSG are different than the internals of the original roller locked gun. As with the M16 platform, there is a big demand for HK full auto compatible .22lr host. The typical way to get full auto .22lr with a registered HK sear is a .308 host gun and a G3 .22lr conversion kit. The biggest disadvantage is the 20 rd mag capacity.

Brother_Evil
10-12-2011, 11:06 AM
Sorry duplicate post.

Scott

HART1
10-12-2011, 11:44 AM
That is fine for semi auto use, but the internals of the GSG are different than the internals of the original roller locked gun. As with the M16 platform, there is a big demand for HK full auto compatible .22lr host. The typical way to get full auto .22lr with a registered HK sear is a .308 host gun and a G3 .22lr conversion kit. The biggest disadvantage is the 20 rd mag capacity.

I had a 51K with .22 kit and a A and D drum adapter with 165 round drum. It was a lot of fun. Traded it to Will Hayden this spring though. I miss this setup.

Maxwell
10-12-2011, 09:04 PM
I would be in for a kit or two at a reasonable price.

HART1
10-13-2011, 05:23 PM
do you want to sell it to me? how much? IM me

You should get together with Dave Harris. I think he was trying to do the same thing?

RogueHK
10-18-2011, 08:36 PM
I WILL buy one of these!!

RogueHK
11-23-2011, 03:35 AM
updates?