Frangible loads in 9mm

[DKM]

I am signed up for a subgun class at Gunsight this Oct. In it we are required to have 500 rounds of frangible. I picked up some West Coast Bullets, frangible 100 grain round nose flat tip bullets. I need a good load that will give me a “close to” same point of aim as wolf 115 grain round nose. I will also need to know what your OAL is since Frangible are so long it affects pressures more than normal bullets.

A side note, none of the loads I have tried will feed. So I will send the gun out for the semi ramp job by Vector and hope it will help.

[carcass]

I don't know about powder loads with frangible bullets, but I do know that my 124 gr. lead conical nose loads in front of 3.6 grains of Hodgdon Clays powder run at the same cyclic rate as most factory 124 gr loads. IIRC, the velocity was close too. Sights are dead on at 50 yd with all factory loads and my handload.

When loading frangible bullets, make sure you don't crimp too hard. You WILL crack the bullet at the crimp line. You WON'T be able to see it until you're shooting. Maybe one or two will come apart in transit, but usually you don't find out until you're shooting and you have a jam or a KB. Set your crimp die to the minimum amount of crimp that will hold the bullet in and allow smooth chambering.

[DKM]

Thanks, I know about the crimp issues. Still hoping to get some load data. It seems not a lot of people loading this type of bullet. I

I am sure that will change with time as training and courses get more high speed close in type training.

[cvasqu03]

Originally posted by DKM
I am signed up for a subgun class at Gunsight this Oct.


Do you know if they're still offering the free one day smg course with the UZI? I no longer see it listed on their website.

[DKM]

I am going to Gunsight.

It is Front Sight that had the free one day subgun class. It was a good deal when they offered it. It was used to drum up new students. They gave you a free day of very fine subgun instruction, with juice and bagles for breakfeast and pizza and soda for lunch.

The ideal was you would get a taste for the level of training they provided. Most of the students had never fired a subgun prior to the class. By the end they would be hitting and manipulating the gun, and were safe and confident. They were then told of the other training offered and provided with a chance to pay for some training at a discounted price.

It was a great way to draw people into taking training who may never have considered high grade training.

For a long time they tought the class using M11's with the stock welded in the open position. Latter they must have bought at least 50 + UZI's, some were conversons, but most Vectors.

Looking back at it, it had to be a killer investment. You use them to make money in your school and watch them grow in value. When he bought them I think they were in the low $2000 range. I would guess that buying them in bulk like that, they were well below that.

[cvasqu03]

Front Sight, my mistake. I guess it's obvious I never had a chance to attend. I was planning to go a couple of years ago, but my plans fell through when my fraternity fell into some financial problems and we had to cancel some travel plans to Vegas. I tried looking it up earlier this year when I was planning out my summer and was unable to find the class listed.

I assume from the tense of your answer that they no longer offer the class. Too bad, I guess I'll have to save up to pay for the three day course.