Vector back plate weld failure... AGAIN

[Vegas SMG]

Vector repaired this less than a year ago and once more, the welds have broken.

[Vegas SMG]

Here is what it looked like when it failed... Just damn glad the bolt didn't fly out out of the receiver and hurt someone.

[Brian Ski]

Dam dude what are you shooting????

How many rounds have you gone thru???

I sure don't see much of a weld there!!!

[cookie]

Originally posted by Brian Ski
...I sure don't see much of a weld there!!!

My thoughts exactly.

[RoverDave]

I guess they can't keep blaming that bad welder that worked there years ago.

[redrat]

Makes ya loose all confidence in it hu???

I will give ya $200.00 for it.

[suka5168]

Damn.. and it wasnt even you that was shooting it. id bet they felt really really bad about it. Is it still under warrenty?
Time for one of those SEMI CDNN buffers hehehe.

[Valkman]

I was shooting it, and luckily it was at my shoulder when it broke. It just kinda separated and nothing flew out.

Feel bad? Nah. I just pointed at someone else. :buttkick

[David Hineline]

Vectors and Mopars have the best warranty in the industry?


Because they need it.


As long as Vector is in business you can get it reparied after that you will have to have a gunsmith fix it.

No machinegun can be allowed to wear out.

[M60joe]

Originally posted by Brian Ski
I sure don't see much of a weld there!!!


:(

[lkblair]

Keep it away from Vector, and find some boat welder around town. Get him to do some GORILLA welds on it, just pile the weld on all the way around, sure it is gonna look strange, but that sucker is gonna be strong!:D

[Vegas SMG]

This gun has seen 50 rounds of +P 9mm ammo prior to the weld breaking the first time and nothing hotter. No .45acp, just .22lr and mostly Winchester white box. This gun has seen somewhere in the range of 15,000 rounds and was one of those guns with broken trunion welds at about 500 rounds. I'm calling Vector shortly...

[cbxjeff]

I'm no UZI expert but I know a little about welding. I used to work with aircraft certified welders at Allison Gas Turbine. Those guys were amaizing.

By the look of your second picture I think they spot welded it through the receiver side in two places (the shinny marks in your picture. That's totally bogus. A good man with a heli-arc can weld all around and leave very little bead showing. It will never come apart - at least at that weld!

[SMG for you and me]

Is this damage going to happen to every UZI eventually? I have wondered why we run relatively soft rubber type buffers in MAC's but no buffer at all in UZI's. And don't tell me that square fiber thingy buffers much of anything in an UZI! (am I right or mistaken on this?)

So, Question #1:

Is this type of break inevitable?

Question #2:

Should we be using a rubber type buffer in our UZI SMG's?

Thanks guys!

[M60joe]

All the Vectors I've seen (Mini/Full) have the "Vector......UT" above the trigger group just below the top cover. Is your one of the first ones produced?



Here is the first welders (the guy they canned at Vector) welding instructions. He was unable to read it....

CLINKY HERE (http://www.vector.co.jp)

[Deadline222]

Hey..... Bring the Uzi to my house, I will weld it for you for free........and I'll even through in a good wack on the concrete floor to see if did it right. :)

[Vegas SMG]

You guys are sooo helpful and I appreciate all the good advise and offers especially yours Deadline222! This third weld failure is 'kinda like NFA transfers... your first one is painful, the 2nd isn't nearly as bad, and by the third one, you're a seasoned professional.

The perky yound girl at Vector told me it was still under warranty as less than a year had passed since it was there for the same repair! I asked to speak to Mike and he wanted to know what I'd been shooting in the gun as though I'd been running something really hot. At any rate, I'm leaving for FL early Wednesday and I'll deal with it when I return next week.

What I'd REALLY like is to have Gem Tech weld it up for me. If you've seen their suppressors you'd know why.

[Brian Ski]

Originally posted by Vegas SMG
The perky yound girl at Vector told me it was still under warranty as less than a year had passed since it was there for the same repair!


Tell them you are dissapointed and want a picture of her out front of the building, to compensate you....:D

[cbxjeff]

After two weld failures I think the back of the building would be more appropriate!

[The Cav Man]

Here is the first welders (the guy they canned at Vector) welding instructions. He was unable to read it....
I see in the third part of your link where it says: klinky tinky toe, go poppy pinkie too!
Well hell…no wonder it broke.

Ok, seriously now, what happens if you say to Vector that you want a new gun, with a new serial number?

[dustindu4]

Originally posted by Brian Ski
Tell them you are dissapointed and want a picture of her out front of the building, to compensate you....:D

all ugly chicks sound hot on the phone

[peabody]

WE at Vector have had only about 3 back plates come off out of 3500 guns. WE have never had one come off twice... except for you. If you will send yours back in for repair, I will personally make sure it will never happen again with your gun.
FYI, we have repaired several original group industry gun's back plates that came off. They had this problem.

[cvasqu03]

Peabody,
I just noticed you just became a member last month. Glad to see you here. Now that we have someone from Vector on the board things should be more interesting. Up to now I'd heard we might have had someone, but wasn't sure.

Welcome aboard.

[Vegas SMG]

I never had a doubt that the gun would be made whole once more... Vector has ALWAYS had a reputation of making things right and my own experience has certainly borne this out. Yes, it is frustrating to have this happen once more when I'm not using anything hotter than Winchester white box in 9mm and Dynapoint in .22LR but things happen and such is my luck and lot in life. I was beyond pleased with the repair and repark when I suffered the first weld failure to the back plate, and I have little doubt this time will be anything but another positive experience with your service.

FWIW, Mine is one of your earlier built guns, (bought NIB in 2000), and It also experienced trunion weld failure after about 500 rounds.

Thanks for your time and commitment to our community and welcome to the board!

[pmf]

So Peabody .... is that girl that answers the phone as cute as she sounds?

[tommygun2000]

Originally posted by peabody
WE at Vector have had only about 3 back plates come off out of 3500 guns. WE have never had one come off twice... except for you. If you will send yours back in for repair, I will personally make sure it will never happen again with your gun.
FYI, we have repaired several original group industry gun's back plates that came off. They had this problem.
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Why no call tags for their defective trunnion welds? The company knows about them, so does everyone else in the Uzi community.

Why do we have to make UPS and FEDEX rich on Vectors mistakes?

Check your PM box.

[RoverDave]

Originally posted by pmf
So Peabody .... is that girl that answers the phone as cute as she sounds?

Gee, I wonder if the Vector guys should spend their time working on the order backlog or answering silly questions?? :rolleyes

[pmf]

Originally posted by RoverDave
Gee, I wonder if the Vector guys should spend their time working on the order backlog or answering silly questions?? :rolleyes

Oh, get a grip. Vector has always treated me very well. They're right up there with AIM Surplus and Tapco for having good customer service. Unfortunately, it seems to be the exception rather than the rule.

Please don't ban me Buddy .....

[RoverDave]

Originally posted by pmf
Please don't ban me Buddy .....

Nawh, we don't ban people. We just post your photo with cookie's face superimposed on it. That's punishment enough.

[peabody]

Originally posted by pmf
So Peabody .... is that girl that answers the phone as cute as she sounds?

Yes!

[vinniet]

How about a group photo of the Vector staff so we can put faces with voices (providing they all don't look like Cookie)?

[cookie]

Originally posted by vinniet
How about a group photo of the Vector staff so we can put faces with voices (providing they all don't look like Cookie)?

You're gonna hurt my feelings.

[redrat]

Hey Peabody any insider info on when the barrels may be shipping?:)

[RoverDave]

Originally posted by redrat
Hey Peabody any insider info on when the barrels may be shipping?:)

Information posted at the end of this thread:
http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8403

[redrat]

:( :poke


Thanks fer the info..

[labrat454]

JB Weld should fix it... :jester

Cory

[SubGunFan]

UZI has been fixed... shot many, many, many, many times... and now sold.

This thread is 2 YEARS old.............

[bendavid25]

Shoulda bought an IMI my friend :)

[watchin]

Bendavid, you know that any UZI not made in Israel is an aftermarket replica, right? Obviously it is a good design or people around the world wouldn't be trying to copy it.
-watchin-

[po]

I never had a doubt that the gun would be made whole once more... Vector has ALWAYS had a reputation of making things right and my own experience has certainly borne this out. Yes, it is frustrating to have this happen once more when I'm not using anything hotter than Winchester white box in 9mm and Dynapoint in .22LR but things happen and such is my luck and lot in life. I was beyond pleased with the repair and repark when I suffered the first weld failure to the back plate, and I have little doubt this time will be anything but another positive experience with your service.

FWIW, Mine is one of your earlier built guns, (bought NIB in 2000), and It also experienced trunion weld failure after about 500 rounds.

Thanks for your time and commitment to our community and welcome to the board!

Vegas SMG, what serial number range would be considered "earlier built?" :peep

--po

[RuhRoRorge]

Who the hell dug this up???

[Vegas SMG]

Shoulda bought an IMI my friend :) Shoulda bought a REAL machine gun rather than a wanna-be pimped out pistol my friend...:roflmao

[Trebor]

Since the thread is this old, maybe it should be locked to avoid confusion.

[Vegas SMG]

I put well over 20,000 rounds thru this gun and cracked the back plate welds twice, trunion welds once, had to have the VERY loose ejector rivets re-tightened. The serial number range has nothing to do with any issues I had. Vector grabbed bare receivers at random and built the subguns as needed. Rex was always great about repairing it long after it was out of warranty and took care of my shipping expenses.

[bendavid25]

Shoulda bought a REAL machine gun rather than a wanna-be pimped out pistol my friend...:roflmao


This "Pimped out wanna-be" is a real IMI and is used in combat ops here in Israel. If you were doing any "real" shooting, other than plinking little metal plates, you could appreciate such a weapon. I guess it would be hard when the only guy that wants to kill you is the little gopher sitting behind your deadly paper target. :asshole

[7.62bthp]

This "Pimped out wanna-be" is a real IMI and is used in combat ops here in Israel. If you were doing any "real" shooting, other than plinking little metal plates, you could appreciate such a weapon. I guess it would be hard when the only guy that wants to kill you is the little gopher sitting behind your deadly paper target. :asshole

Nice throw BD! Although I would have thrown in a "Kush in toches arein":roflmao !!!!

[RuhRoRorge]

This "Pimped out wanna-be" is a real IMI and is used in combat ops here in Israel. If you were doing any "real" shooting, other than plinking little metal plates, you could appreciate such a weapon. I guess it would be hard when the only guy that wants to kill you is the little gopher sitting behind your deadly paper target. :asshole

Aaaand the winner of the '2006 UziTalk Comeback Of The Year Awards' iiiis....All the way from Jerusalem Israel, you know him, you love him, Bendavid25!!!!!.... < insert audience applause>.

:jester

[bendavid25]

You guys are a riot.... Now I know why I spend so much time here.