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    Patchett Pics

    Found the better part of a Patchett in the storage area of a museum out here, only thought to grabb a couple of pics though..... ....weapon is (as you can see) incomplete butthe serial number is neat.

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    and the othe rpic......
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    Thanks Andy,

    Pictures like this are getting harder to find.

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    Thanks mate. I have it from a reliable source that this one was built in 1954 for the Brit military ......this contract is what saw the Sterling enter service afterward. Best guess is that this one was then sent out here for Aussie military trials.

    Hope all is well with you mate.

    Andy

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    What I wouldn't give to have that mag well for my gun! The photos seem to indicate the gun only lacks the bolt and it's springs, cocking lever, and perhaps the mag release. Is the barrel chamber welded closed or has it been deactivated in some manner other than what we can see from the pictures?

    Thanks for the photos Andy!

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    Originally posted by Andy the Aussie
    Thanks mate. I have it from a reliable source that this one was built in 1954 for the Brit military ......this contract is what saw the Sterling enter service afterward. Best guess is that this one was then sent out here for Aussie military trials.

    Hope all is well with you mate.

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    It is very likely that this gun is indeed a UK military gun, manufactured in 1953 as evidenced by the proof mark between the magazine release and the butt-brazing of the mag well to the casing.

    Here is some information from the book "The Guns of Dagenham" by Peter Laidler and David Howroyd:

    Patchett 9mm Machine Carbine
    designated Gun, Sub-Machine, 9mm L2A1
    Date introduced:
    • May, 1953 (Sterling)
    • Sept, 1953 (UK Govt)
    Obsoleted: Apr 1955
    Quantity Produced:
    • Sterling Commercial (marked Patchett 9m/m M/C) 3730
    • UK Military (marked Patchett 9m/m M/C) 2800
    • UK Military (marked L2A1) 6
    • Total production: 6536

    "Crackle" paint is typical on the commercial guns, parkerizing/powdercoat is typical on the UK military units.
    Known UK Military contract serial number ranges:
    • Contract Sep 1953 nos 301-2100
    • Contract Date uncertain, S/N 2101-2600
    • Contract 9 Jan 1954, S/N 2601-2800
    • Contract Jul/Aug 1954, Model L2A1 S/N 02-07 (01 retained by Sterling)
    Several MkII's have been seen with 8xxx series serial numbers in the UK military configuration. No documentation of a contract exists.

    Known commercial serial number ranges:
    • KR1000 Mfg 2 Nov 53
    • KR1500 Mfg Jul 54
    • KR2000 Mfg Nov 54
    • KR2500 Mfg Jan 55
    • KR2730 Mfg 29 Mar 55

    Original MkII return spring caps pictured have a vertical sling loops. The one on this specimen likely came from a MkIII or MkIV
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    Originally posted by Vegas SMG
    What I wouldn't give to have that mag well for my gun! The photos seem to indicate the gun only lacks the bolt and it's springs, cocking lever, and perhaps the mag release. Is the barrel chamber welded closed or has it been deactivated in some manner other than what we can see from the pictures?

    Thanks for the photos Andy!
    These are in a museum. Best I could tell is that the only parts not on the weapon are the bolt and spring, due to Aussie laws these must be housed in a secure location away from the weapon.

    Andy

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    http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg28-e.htm
    Hope this give's a bigger insight

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    Australian F1 SMG photos?

    Hey..... Andy. If you ever get a chance please get some more photos of the Australian F1 SMG. I especially would like photos of the front end where the bayonet mounts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commander bond
    Hey..... Andy. If you ever get a chance please get some more photos of the Australian F1 SMG. I especially would like photos of the front end where the bayonet mounts.
    This show all of F1 SMG.

    http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg66-e.htm

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    Thanks for the pics. Wonderful history there.
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