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    hodgdon universal clays technology

    I have some hodgdon universal clays technology powder and hornady xtp 9mm 124gr .355" i have been looking for a min and max load data my manual does not have it nor have i found it posted on hodgdon website. any help would be great thanks

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    4-4.5gr should be good with a 124gr bullet. I was loading 4.5gr of U clays with 147gr and just starting to get pressure signs.
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    Ok thanks i hope they turn out to be a good load

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    From the load manuals and cross checked with QuickLOAD:
    As always, exercise caution and work up from the starting loads.

    124gr HP-XTP #35571
    Clays UNIV

    C.O.L. 1.060"
    4.5 Grains Starting Load (approx 26,000 PSI)
    5.0 Grains max (approx 32,250 PSI)

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    Quote Originally Posted by chili17 View Post
    I was loading 4.5gr of U clays with 147gr and just starting to get pressure signs.
    I hope this is a typo (perhaps you meant 124's) because I've never seen published data that stout for 147's.
    I load 3.7 grains of Universal under 147 FMJ's for my M16 with an Enidine buffer. They average 911 FPS in a 7.5" barrel & 975 FPS in a 9" barrel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clicker View Post
    I hope this is a typo (perhaps you meant 124's) because I've never seen published data that stout for 147's.
    I load 3.7 grains of Universal under 147 FMJ's for my M16 with an Enidine buffer. They average 911 FPS in a 7.5" barrel & 975 FPS in a 9" barrel.
    Nope, not a typo
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    Quote Originally Posted by chili17 View Post
    Nope, not a typo
    Well then elaborate, I'm all ears.

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    Loaded to maximum length, 4.5 of Universal w/ several 147gr bullets will put you near the top of the +p+ range. Most subguns don't have too much of an issue with this kind of pressure, especially not open bolt ones like Uzis. Most of the IMI +p+ "subgun only" surplus stuff I picked up several years ago was factory loaded in this pressure range. I rarely ever see +p loads published, much less +p+. I assume the publishers of most loading manuals like to keep away from them to help avoid potential liability.

    Not recommending the load, just explaining it. Also, you'll notice chili said he was getting pressure signs at 4.5gr, which would indicate the load was getting too hot and would need to be stepped down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clicker View Post
    Well then elaborate, I'm all ears.
    easy, american 9mm ammo is weak and I load to nato pressure. OKPUD pretty much explained it
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    I'm easy just don't tease me. I understand the mild published data one finds today and the reasons behind such. However you post the 4.5 grain load and simply state "just starting to get pressure signs". Gimme (us) the whole story like where you wound up and what kind of velocity you achieved.

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    primers were starting to flatten and I would get an occasional bulged case. No idea on velocity other than they were still subsonic
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