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    Max11a1/9 vs MP5

    I have both

    Went to farm this weekend and shot both extensively

    The max11a1/9 To me shoots much better and easier to hold on target than the mp5

    Now it shoots a little faster, but Iíve found 124gr lawman or cci blazer brass is a nice round.

    Just one opinion. I really was impressed. Both suppressed.

    I need to try my cfw bolt w adapter next

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    i agree the M11 is more easy to control then the MP5
    i also found the grease gun to be the same vs the Thompson

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    Is this the aluminum or steel Max-11a1/9n upper?

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    The m11/9 with any CFW bolt is better than any mp5 variant in terms of controllability full auto. I’m not willing to admit that for the baby mac.I own all the macs and all the mp5 variants, what has been winning with me over lately is magazines. VegasSMG gave me a bunch of ole Suomi clips and I modified a plunger to work with mp5 mags. I can load those up on trays crazy fast and out at the range load/shoot 1000 rounds in 20 minutes. I’m a volume shooter.

    The m11/9 with his bolt, doesn’t have an equal compared to controllability though. Shit I went 60,000 rounds without cleaning mine. Blew mine up, pressed it back together with a shop press and rewelded. I wouldn’t be able to do that with a mp5

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    Quote Originally Posted by strobro32 View Post
    Is this the aluminum or steel Max-11a1/9n upper?
    Mk2

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    I wish my M10 had the CFW bolt

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    Interesting comparison. I recently sold a pre-May MP-5. Have an M-11 with the Max 31 MkII upper. Run it with 2 VBS buffers. When running drums or coffin mags, I occasionally notice a bit of a hiccup in the cyclic rate....not a consistent smooth cadence. Perhaps it’s ammo related, but there none the less. The MP-5, well, it’s an MP-5....what more can you say. Many consider it to be the holy grail of SMG’s because it’s “HK”. While it was nice, after a mag or two, it just got boring to me. Cyclic rate is on the fast side, and like other full auto HK’s, a pain in the ass to clean. Now my go to SMG is my Swedish K. Original pre-May sample and an absolute dream to shoot! Run it with the coffin mags, and between the ideal cyclic rate, controllability along with ergonomics, it is a tack driver!

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    Interesting comparison. I recently sold a pre-May MP-5. Have an M-11 with the Max 31 MkII upper. Run it with 2 VBS buffers. When running drums or coffin mags, I occasionally notice a bit of a hiccup in the cyclic rate....not a consistent smooth cadence. Perhaps itís ammo related, but there none the less. The MP-5, well, itís an MP-5....what more can you say. Many consider it to be the holy grail of SMGís because itís ďHKĒ. While it was nice, after a mag or two, it just got boring to me. Cyclic rate is on the fast side, and like other full auto HKís, a pain in the ass to clean. Now my go to SMG is my Swedish K. Original pre-May sample and an absolute dream to shoot! Run it with the coffin mags, and between the ideal cyclic rate, controllability along with ergonomics, it is a tack driver!

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    What is the weight comparison?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevo View Post
    When running drums or coffin mags, I occasionally notice a bit of a hiccup in the cyclic rate....not a consistent smooth cadence.
    I noticed that my aluminum Max31K and Max31A MKII has an irregular ROF rhythm regardless of ammo too. My steel Max-11 and steel Max 31A MKI are metronomes. I wonder what causes the aluminum uppers to perform that way?
    Last edited by strobro32; 07-22-2020 at 06:00 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strobro32 View Post
    I noticed that my aluminum Max31K and Max31A MKII has an irregular ROF rhythm regardless of ammo too. My steel Max-11 and steel Max 31A MKI are metronomes. I wonder what causes the aluminum uppers to perform that way?
    I wonder if the upper is flexing and slightly binding the bolt or shift the drum position relative to the bolt. Anyone have a super slow speed camera?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ericoak View Post
    What is the weight comparison?
    The max is lighter. I havenít weighed them though. Itís certainly smaller and more compact.

    The cyclical rate is faster but I can use 124gr lawman that is subsonic to mitigate that a bit.

    The mp5 is more intuitive to have to a novice bc itís closed bolt, but neither has a bolt hold open feature.

    Im just saying I took time to appreciate the max this time. I was more accurate w it but I had a red dot on it. It didnít seem to muzzle rise as much either as I filmed a friend on both. Both were suppressed.

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    From Google
    MP5A3 Specifications
    weight: 6.8 lb

    MAX-11 mk2 when assembled to an M-11/9 lower receiver with a 8-1/2" stock:
    Weight unloaded is 5.64 pounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heavy Gear View Post
    From Google
    MP5A3 Specifications
    weight: 6.8 lb

    MAX-11 mk2 when assembled to an M-11/9 lower receiver with a 8-1/2" stock:
    Weight unloaded is 5.64 pounds.
    Now do max11a1/9mk2

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    the MAX-11A1/380 mk2 when assembled to an M-11A1 lower receiver with a 8-1/2" stock:
    Weight unloaded is 5.20 pounds.
    Weight with a loaded 32 round magazine is 6.36 pounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heavy Gear View Post
    the MAX-11A1/380 mk2 when assembled to an M-11A1 lower receiver with a 8-1/2" stock:
    Weight unloaded is 5.20 pounds.
    Weight with a loaded 32 round magazine is 6.36 pounds.
    So the diff in weight between m11a1 and m11 w their respective mk2 uppers is only .44 lbs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LawBob View Post
    So the diff in weight between m11a1 and m11 w their respective mk2 uppers is only .44 lbs?
    https://youtu.be/69fPof-ZTnU

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaujo View Post
    Youíre point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LawBob View Post
    You’re point?
    He wants you to Stroke It?

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    The difference is the stroke ;-)

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