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    So if I bought this and installed it in my RR M-16, could they take it away if ATF claims it is a machine gun?

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    Quote Originally Posted by theduke View Post
    by way of FL law or...?
    Banned by Florida law. When Florida banned bump stocks the statute defined a bump stock as: “a conversion kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device used to alter the rate of fire of a firearm to mimic automatic weapon fire …” It applies to binary triggers as well.

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    790.222 Bump-fire stocks prohibited.—A person may not import into this state or transfer, distribute, sell, keep for sale, offer for sale, possess, or give to another person a bump-fire stock. A person who violates this section commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. As used in this section, the term “bump-fire stock” means a conversion kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device used to alter the rate of fire of a firearm to mimic automatic weapon fire or which is used to increase the rate of fire to a faster rate than is possible for a person to fire such semiautomatic firearm unassisted by a kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSPC View Post
    Banned by Florida law. When Florida banned bump stocks the statute defined a bump stock as: “a conversion kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device used to alter the rate of fire of a firearm to mimic automatic weapon fire …” It applies to binary triggers as well.

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    790.222 Bump-fire stocks prohibited.—A person may not import into this state or transfer, distribute, sell, keep for sale, offer for sale, possess, or give to another person a bump-fire stock. A person who violates this section commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. As used in this section, the term “bump-fire stock” means a conversion kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device used to alter the rate of fire of a firearm to mimic automatic weapon fire or which is used to increase the rate of fire to a faster rate than is possible for a person to fire such semiautomatic firearm unassisted by a kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device.
    This law is so poorly written.
    Don’t put any trigger in your gun that’s got a lighter trigger pull, shorter reset or adjustable over travel.


    Oh and don’t do a homemade trigger job (springs and or file). It’s likely no one would get convicted but who really knows in left leaning counties. Thankfully there’s a lot of gun sanctuary (Red) counties in Florida.


    You live in south Florida, SOOOOOO.


    I could be wrong but aren’t these triggers made in Florida? (Lol)

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    Quote Originally Posted by KickStand View Post
    This law is so poorly written.
    Don’t put any trigger in your gun that’s got a lighter trigger pull, shorter reset or adjustable over travel.


    Oh and don’t do a homemade trigger job (springs and or file). It’s likely no one would get convicted but who really knows in left leaning counties. Thankfully there’s a lot of gun sanctuary (Red) counties in Florida.


    You live in south Florida, SOOOOOO.


    I could be wrong but aren’t these triggers made in Florida? (Lol)

    The company is headquartered in Orlando but I believe the triggers are manufactured and shipped from Utah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HighriseATX View Post
    So if I bought this and installed it in my RR M-16, could they take it away if ATF claims it is a machine gun?
    No that ironically would be fine. You’re making One FA lower fire in FA.
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    2-3 available on GB.

    This one closed today. $1325

    https://www.gunbroker.com/item/889053821

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    Quote Originally Posted by rybread View Post
    No that ironically would be fine. You’re making One FA lower fire in FA.
    Seems more probable that the BATF would declare the device itself a MG, contraband and illegal. No different than a bumpstock on an FA lower.

    Your lower would remain legal, the parts and pieces illegal.

    Same would be true if one put a Franklin binary in a registered lower and the Franklin triggers become contraband. Surrender the Franklin parts or go directly to Club Fed.
    My name is actually Scott and I really do live in Texas.

    I know, not very creative but it is factual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rybread View Post
    No that ironically would be fine. You’re making One FA lower fire in FA.
    Quote Originally Posted by ScottinTexas View Post
    Seems more probable that the BATF would declare the device itself a MG, contraband and illegal. No different than a bumpstock on an FA lower.

    Your lower would remain legal, the parts and pieces illegal.

    Same would be true if one put a Franklin binary in a registered lower and the Franklin triggers become contraband. Surrender the Franklin parts or go directly to Club Fed.
    Scott is correct IMHO. Like a DIAS, the FATD has ruled that a DIAS is a machinegun in and of itself. So if you had a DIAS in a properly done registered receiver M16, according to them that is two machineguns. It doesn't matter how many firearms seems to be functioning. As with the XMG upper, which is a firearm and must be transferred via 4473, a registered receiver machinegun is a firearm. The XMG upper and a M16 RR are one unit with one barrel. But to the FATD, that is two firearms shooting automatically with only one registration.

    Now there is the whole unaltered semi automatic receiver that was registered as a registered receiver machinegun that uses a collection of parts (including an unregistered DIAS). The FATD has ruled that a M16 conversion has the hole for the USGI auto sear. So such a conversion is improper. Of course there are lots of improper conversions in the registry. The BATF&E doesn't have the means or funding to straighten out the registry. But if a specific machinegun that was converted this way were to come to their attention, that could be very problematic for the owner.

    So this trigger, if considered a machinegun conversion device, is separate from the issue of a M16 RR. So even if it seems like there is only one barrel shooting automatically, that doesn't mean that there is only one firearm, or regulated part. YMMV.

    Scott

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    Anyone concerned about the ATF coming over for a visit in response to someone allegedly buying one of these drop in "cassette" triggers, presumably after they obtained sales records, just don't answer the door and/or don't communicate with them in any way.

    I highly doubt they could get a search warrant based on the above alone.

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    Especially if it was bought with a pre-paid VISA card (bought with cash) and was sent to the vacant house 2 blocks over by mistake...

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    Folks, I bought one FRT15 and after having used the others out there .
    The other triggers have a learning curve but this
    one shoots like a house on fire right away.What was neat was how easy it was to drop in one unit that
    contains hammer,trigger and disco
    I then installed a 9mm on my AR lower using those magazines that are 9mm but go in a regular
    AR15 magwell. The ease of operation was awesome. Then when i used it on a suppressed upper
    and what i fail to understand is how the
    cyclic rate really increased and i didnt seem to have to manipulate the trigger.
    When its warmer I will take videos and post

    Also on the bump stocks, ATF used the language for redefining a machinegun is continuous fire
    "without trigger manipulation" which killed the bump stocks but let all the echo triggers and the like
    on safe ground. The FRT triggers are $375 and are going for crazy money on GB now for $1000-1100
    and people are paying that.

    ALso the company said that they dont have a determination letter from ATF but their legal dept says its "legal"

    I thought these companies had to send a gun with their device in order to get a determination letter.
    Maybe they figure they can rathole the profits and if deemed illegal they are ahead of the game
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