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    Quote Originally Posted by LawBob View Post
    Next Lage upper?
    YES!!! With water cooled rotating barrels 'Gatling Style'. That would be so cool. 6000 Rounds Per Minute!!!!!

    But then someone would come up with some springs and tungsten parts to slow it down to 3000 RPM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skoda View Post
    YES!!! With water cooled rotating barrels 'Gatling Style'. That would be so cool. 6000 Rounds Per Minute!!!!!

    But then someone would come up with some springs and tungsten parts to slow it down to 3000 RPM.
    Then convert it to a pistol but make a bullpup

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    Oh, FFS.


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    I bought two JAWS Commando Avengers as stripped receivers and it lists this in the ATF form as receiver only. If the receiver is the machine gun why do they need anymore information?

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    Because when the original form was created, the vast majority of machinegun receivers had a barrel attached and the stock was a fixed length.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A&S Conversions View Post
    Because when the original form was created, the vast majority of machinegun receivers had a barrel attached and the stock was a fixed length.

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    So, that makes retroactive "legislation" ok?

    We will just ignore the fact that Congress makes laws and not aft. They are just FLEAs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhurst View Post
    So, that makes retroactive "legislation" ok?

    We will just ignore the fact that Congress makes laws and not aft. They are just FLEAs.
    The secretary was given the authority to promulgate rules…. Blah blah blah

    I agree but let’s be thankful the law is $200 tax stamp and “trusts” are valid entities for ownership to circumvent the law signature requirement (since changed by 41p)

    The next time we have the opportunity we should not try to remove suppressors from the nfa

    Just change the rules - allow the sot02/07 to call in for permission and stick a $200 stamp on the form 4, out the door.

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    Last I saw "rules" are not "laws".

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    And I thought that a Machine gun can be any overall length, can have any length barrel, and any kind of stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhurst View Post
    Last I saw "rules" are not "laws".
    They have the force of law if the law passed delegates it to the agency. Now if an agency interprets the law a certain way per the CFR, that’s not the law.

    A court decision isn’t a law either. Is Heller “the law?”

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomer535 View Post
    And I thought that a Machine gun can be any overall length, can have any length barrel, and any kind of stock.
    They can. The form 4 just seeks to properly identify the registered weapon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LawBob View Post
    They have the force of law if the law passed delegates it to the agency. Now if an agency interprets the law a certain way per the CFR, that’s not the law.

    A court decision isn’t a law either. Is Heller “the law?”
    Correct. That we agree upon. An agency cannot just make up something and call it a law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjsoccer3 View Post
    You got a permit for that freedom son?
    Exactly

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    The ATF would LIKE you to notify them of changes…such as barrel length, caliber or completing a title 2 bare receiver by filling in the missing info in an addendum letter. It’s NOT required. You only get a letter back thanking you for helping to keep the NFTR updated. A nice warm fuzzy feeling. You can accomplish the same thing by pissing yourself in bed.

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    I would like to pick "THINGS I WILL NEVER EVER DO IN THIS LIFETIME", for $1000 Trebek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shattered View Post
    The ATF would LIKE you to notify them of changes…such as barrel length, caliber or completing a title 2 bare receiver by filling in the missing info in an addendum letter. It’s NOT required. You only get a letter back thanking you for helping to keep the NFTR updated. A nice warm fuzzy feeling. You can accomplish the same thing by pissing yourself in bed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skoda View Post
    Maybe they just want to be able to identify it when one is found after a theft/crime/etc..
    I don't think they have that level of integrity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnFreeman View Post
    I don't think they have that level of integrity.
    We also absolutely know high crimes treasonous chicom joe b. is china's death to America by a thousand cuts.

    Look at corrupt senile's deeds and totally insane ramblings...

    God Bless America During Our Darkest Years Of This Evil Attack.
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