Convert pistol to SBR

GLOCKENNBOOMER · 08-07-2009, 05:26 PM

Just a quick ?? Let's say I started out with an AK pistol and armed with the proper paperwork filled out and applied to ATF to build a SBR, and with an underfolder stock, misc parts and tools and the knowhow and converted it to a SBR ala Krinkov...........Legal NO-NO since it started out as a pistol? Got something milling around in my head and would not want to do anything illegal.

WhisperFan · 08-07-2009, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GLOCKENNBOOMER

Just a quick ?? Let's say I started out with an AK pistol and armed with the proper paperwork filled out and applied to ATF to build a SBR, and with an underfolder stock, misc parts and tools and the knowhow and converted it to a SBR ala Krinkov...........Legal NO-NO since it started out as a pistol? Got something milling around in my head and would not want to do anything illegal.

I made my AR pistol into an SBR after my Form 1 came back. No big deal.

Maxwell · 08-09-2009, 09:06 AM

Actually, since you are startng from a pistol you could build either a AOW or SBR from it. If you are doing it on a from 1 might as well just paper it for SBR. It is $200 either way. If your SOT is doing it on a from 2, the AOW would only be a $5 transfer fee (but of course no stock would be allowed).

Dont buy that stock away till you get the approved paperwork back.. wouldnt want to get busted for constructive possession.

GLOCKENNBOOMER · 08-09-2009, 06:51 PM

Thanks! Like I need another project..........But an underfolder SBR AK would be sweet.

skoal · 10-30-2009, 02:13 PM

Note: if you go the Form 1 route, then you are creating a "rifle" so I beleive the Compliance Parts count needs to be considered, which may not be the case with your pistol's current configuration. See info below.

Section 922(r), of Title 18, U.S.C. prohibits assembly of certain semiautomatic rifles from
imported parts. The implementing regulations in Title 27, Code of Federal Regulations (CFR)
section 178.39(a), provide that no person shall assemble a semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun
using more than 10 of the imported parts listed in paragraph (c) of this section if the
assembled firearm is prohibited from importation under section 925(d) (3) as not being
particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes.For further information
about 922(r), go to the ATF website http://www.atf.gov/ or http://uscode.house.gov/ and search
for 18 U.S.C. § 922(r) and 27 CFR § 478.39 of the Gun Control Act (GCA) of 1968.

(1) Receiver
(2) Barrels
(3) Barrel extensions
(4) Mounting blocks, trunnion (rifles only)
(5) Muzzle attachments (shotguns w/ threaded barrels only)
(6) Bolts
(7) Bolt carriers
(8) Operating rods
(9) Gas pistons
(10) Trigger housings
(11) Triggers
(12) Hammers
(13) Sears
(14) Disconnectors
(15) Buttstock
(16) Pistol grips
(17) Forearms, handguards
(18) Magazine bodies
(19) Followers
(20) Floorplates

skoal · 10-30-2009, 02:16 PM

Side folded is better if you want to use a rail on the bottom of the handguard, for example using a forward grip/broom-handle.

Nwcid · 10-30-2009, 02:19 PM

NO, creating a SBR is not creating a rifle, it is creating a SBR which is an NFA item. NFA items are NOT "a semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun" so 922r does not apply since it is NOT a rifle in this case.

**Z06** · 10-30-2009, 02:35 PM

Vector SBR underfolder... fun 2 shoot!

piratesover40 · 10-30-2009, 02:45 PM

Yes you can make a pistol into an SBR.

skoal · 10-31-2009, 04:01 PM

Good to know about SBR - just keep in mind ATF changes its mind on a dime.

devinsdad · 11-01-2009, 03:23 PM

Lots of folks are doing this with the low-cost Draco pistol that's out at the moment.

08-07-2009, 05:26 PM	#1
GLOCKENNBOOMER Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 204 iTrader: 4 / 100%	Convert pistol to SBR Just a quick ?? Let's say I started out with an AK pistol and armed with the proper paperwork filled out and applied to ATF to build a SBR, and with an underfolder stock, misc parts and tools and the knowhow and converted it to a SBR ala Krinkov...........Legal NO-NO since it started out as a pistol? Got something milling around in my head and would not want to do anything illegal. __________________ Hypocracy knows no bounds.........

08-09-2009, 06:51 PM	#4
GLOCKENNBOOMER Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 204 iTrader: 4 / 100%	Thanks! Like I need another project..........But an underfolder SBR AK would be sweet. __________________ Hypocracy knows no bounds.........

10-30-2009, 02:19 PM	#7
Nwcid Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 941 iTrader: 8 / 100%	NO, creating a SBR is not creating a rifle, it is creating a SBR which is an NFA item. NFA items are NOT "a semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun" so 922r does not apply since it is NOT a rifle in this case. __________________ John Just remember there are no stupid questions, just stupid people asking questions. Anyone who would sacrifice freedom for security deserves neither!!! "Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of it's stated intent." Gun control defined: The theory that people who are willing to ignore laws against rape, torture, kidnapping, theft, and murder will obey a law which prohibits them from owning a firearm. Last edited by Nwcid : 10-30-2009 at 02:32 PM.

10-30-2009, 02:45 PM	#9
piratesover40 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: FL Posts: 3,490 iTrader: 8 / 100%	Yes you can make a pistol into an SBR. __________________ ''If We Aren't Supposed To Eat Animals''. ''Why Are They Made Of Meat''? "Don't Tell Me the Sky's the Limit When There Are Footpirnts on the Moon" (unknown) DEATH to all Muslims !

08-09-2009, 09:06 AM	#3
Maxwell Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 60 iTrader: 1 / 100%	Actually, since you are startng from a pistol you could build either a AOW or SBR from it. If you are doing it on a from 1 might as well just paper it for SBR. It is $200 either way. If your SOT is doing it on a from 2, the AOW would only be a $5 transfer fee (but of course no stock would be allowed). Dont buy that stock away till you get the approved paperwork back.. wouldnt want to get busted for constructive possession.

10-30-2009, 02:13 PM	#5
skoal Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 26 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Note: if you go the Form 1 route, then you are creating a "rifle" so I beleive the Compliance Parts count needs to be considered, which may not be the case with your pistol's current configuration. See info below. Section 922(r), of Title 18, U.S.C. prohibits assembly of certain semiautomatic rifles from imported parts. The implementing regulations in Title 27, Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) section 178.39(a), provide that no person shall assemble a semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun using more than 10 of the imported parts listed in paragraph (c) of this section if the assembled firearm is prohibited from importation under section 925(d) (3) as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes.For further information about 922(r), go to the ATF website http://www.atf.gov/ or http://uscode.house.gov/ and search for 18 U.S.C. § 922(r) and 27 CFR § 478.39 of the Gun Control Act (GCA) of 1968. (1) Receiver (2) Barrels (3) Barrel extensions (4) Mounting blocks, trunnion (rifles only) (5) Muzzle attachments (shotguns w/ threaded barrels only) (6) Bolts (7) Bolt carriers (8) Operating rods (9) Gas pistons (10) Trigger housings (11) Triggers (12) Hammers (13) Sears (14) Disconnectors (15) Buttstock (16) Pistol grips (17) Forearms, handguards (18) Magazine bodies (19) Followers (20) Floorplates

10-30-2009, 02:16 PM	#6
skoal Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 26 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Side folded is better if you want to use a rail on the bottom of the handguard, for example using a forward grip/broom-handle.

10-30-2009, 02:35 PM	#8
Z06 UZI Talk Life Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: AZ Posts: 1,594 iTrader: 7 / 100%	Vector SBR underfolder... *fun 2 shoot!*

10-31-2009, 04:01 PM	#10
skoal Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 26 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Good to know about SBR - just keep in mind ATF changes its mind on a dime.

11-01-2009, 03:23 PM	#11
devinsdad Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 12 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Lots of folks are doing this with the low-cost Draco pistol that's out at the moment.