Knb Creek Subgun Match Results (unofficial) - Page 2

**medphys** · 10-13-2009, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegas SMG

...shooter almost pull the mag from the gun to clear before re-cocking the bolt. I guarantee it would have gone bang had I not stopped them...
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Vegas, that's exactly what I did on the last stage although it was a zytel mag. I promptly sold them all on Saturday.

No more plastic for me.

**medphys** · 10-13-2009, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ulwembu

Medphys, did I see you? I was off the range for some time on Friday but was there the whole day on Saturday.

We were there over lunch time on Friday (11-1ish?). I saw you, but with all the rain, it seemed a bit busy and a lousy time to meetup. Plus, after our crappy runs, I left with my head held low and wasn't in any mood to chit-chat.

**Vegas SMG** · 10-13-2009, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by medphys

Vegas, that's exactly what I did on the last stage although it was a zytel mag. I promptly sold them all on Saturday.

No more plastic for me.

Some people love the Zytel mags but I prefer the PAM-2 conversions even with their limitations, (lack of over insertion stops). Their heavy spring tension coupled with the poly coating on Wolf ammo can sometimes stop the bolt from fully stripping a round at the top few rounds of a fully loaded magazine. Brass cased ammo doesn't seem to have this problem, but that's my observation and may not hold true for all guns/mags/ammo.

Even seasoned shooters have a difficult time remembering to rack the bolt open on a open bolt gun to clear malfunctions. You need to relearn all you knew about clearing malfunctions with an open bolt gun. Throw in the pressure of a timed match, and things happen... very quickly.

At the end of the day, everyone went home alive with nothing more than a small finger cut. We learn from our mistakes. Keep shooting and keep learning. I've shot well over fifty subgun matches and there's hardly a month I shot that I don't learn something new. (You'd think I'd be better...

) I hope your son won't be discouraged by this learning experience and thank you for sharing with us.
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**Ulwembu** · 10-13-2009, 06:46 PM

True Vegas SMG, very true!

Garrett · 10-13-2009, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by medphys

Vegas, that's exactly what I did on the last stage although it was a zytel mag. I promptly sold them all on Saturday.

No more plastic for me.

That's interesting. While it is still possible, the chance of getting this type of AD is less likely with zytel mags because they have the overtravel stops.

The most common reason for the AD-upon-mag-removal comes when the shooter inserts the mag too far into the magwell. When the trigger is pulled the bolt drops and stops on the rear of the mag. When pulling the mag out with the bolt still pushing on it, the bolt slams forward as soon as it clears the magazine, stripping a round, and firing.

With properly placed mag stops like on the zytel mags, the mag can't be be over-inserted into the magwell.

**nayo** · 10-16-2009, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MrM4

Took the word right out of my mouth Kean.
I hope you never make her mad Doug, she must be deadly with that thing.

You got that right bro she is pretty mean with the boom stick too.

L34A1 · 11-05-2009, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by chili17

A big thanks Paul. It was a fun course despite my poor showing. We will see you next year for sure.

I just started cleaning the guns from the Creek yesterday and found that the M16/9mm was broken. The bolt carrier key had sheared off one of the screws and was flopping around all over the place. The other screw was just barely holding on. That might just have been what was causing all those malfunctions. FYI

**nayo** · 11-05-2009, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by L34A1

I just started cleaning the guns from the Creek yesterday and found that the M16/9mm was broken. The bolt carrier key had sheared off one of the screws and was flopping around all over the place. The other screw was just barely holding on. That might just have been what was causing all those malfunctions. FYI

Good thing you were running the MP5

L34A1 · 11-05-2009, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by nayo

Good thing you were running the MP5

You got that right. Precisely

why I do not lend out guns that I am using myself.

**chili17** · 11-05-2009, 11:17 AM

sounds like somebody sabotaged chili (other than myself of course). I think it was a conspiracy. Honestly thanks for letting Austin and I use the Colt. It was nice to be able to get in one more run

skunkape · 11-05-2009, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by L34A1

I just started cleaning the guns from the Creek yesterday and found that the M16/9mm was broken. The bolt carrier key had sheared off one of the screws and was flopping around all over the place. The other screw was just barely holding on. That might just have been what was causing all those malfunctions. FYI

I hope it didn't cause any damage. That kind of makes me feel stupid, I guess we should have opened it up since we were having all those malfunctions.

It was a blast shooting in all four classes so thanks again for letting us use it.

**Vegas SMG** · 11-05-2009, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by L34A1

I just started cleaning the guns from the Creek yesterday and found that the M16/9mm was broken. The bolt carrier key had sheared off one of the screws and was flopping around all over the place. The other screw was just barely holding on. That might just have been what was causing all those malfunctions. FYI

Thanks for taking care of Chili17 for me Andy.
You can junk that crap bolt I mailed you for Chili17's run. What to I owe you for that service.

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**chili17** · 11-09-2009, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegas SMG

Thanks for taking care of Chili17 for me Andy.
You can junk that crap bolt I mailed you for Chili17's run. What to I owe you for that service.

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douche!

L34A1 · 11-10-2009, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Vegas SMG

Thanks for taking care of Chili17 for me Andy.
You can junk that crap bolt I mailed you for Chili17's run. What to I owe you for that service.

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Nothin

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chili17 Moderator FFL/SOT UZI Talk Life Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: North Texas Posts: 2,879 iTrader: 32 / 100%	sounds like somebody sabotaged chili (other than myself of course). I think it was a conspiracy. Honestly thanks for letting Austin and I use the Colt. It was nice to be able to get in one more run __________________ Chris Hipes Hipes Consulting Services LLC FFL/SOT 07/02 poulan10takethisoutsoidonotgetmorespam@yahoo.com North Texas