Just picked up the wiselite sterling

[flgliderpilot]

I've always wanted an SMG (even in semi auto)... I've always loved the look of the sterling. I considered building one from a kit but it's just too risky for me to attempt a legal semi auto build from an open bolt design...and besides I don't have the equipment to do it. But then along comes wiselite! Hurray, I am so excited. Got mine for $399 from JG and it should be here monday. This will be my first SBR... will be working on the paperwork shortly after and patiently awaiting that stamp!

[sterlgrl]

Welcome, glider.

I recently took delivery of a WLA Sterling also. The Sterling is an excellent design. Even in sa form, it is a great pistol caliber carbine, being compact, lightweight and built to last. They are also both quite accurate and extremely dependable. You can't ask for more than that.

Oh yeah. They look cool too.

[flgliderpilot]

sterlgrl, I read your post earlier about refinishing it, etc. Do you have any plans to SBR it? I noticed a few lengthy threads via google about people trying to come up with an original bayonet mount style barrel nut. Seemed like the thread was too large and would extend too far out to allow a cap based on the original specs (but threaded) to work.

I agree it's a neat smg. I have always loved the WWII era SMG's, the MP40, sten, etc... and this one has that look and reputation to go with it. I am really happy to be able to own it for under $500.

[sterlgrl]

I don't plan to go SBR with mine. I got my wiselite, because I wanted a good compact PCC. It will definitely, be a Sterling however, if I ever do go FA.

[flgliderpilot]

I bought mine to bump fire Surprised I haven't seen anyone bumping the sterling yet.

[sterlgrl]

Originally Posted by flgliderpilot

I bought mine to bump fire Surprised I haven't seen anyone bumping the sterling yet.

Since you are into rate of fire so much, why not apply for a machine gun tax stamp? I mean, since you are already applying for an SBR stamp, why not?

Me, I don't need either, and I am glad my WLA Sterling has never bump fired on me. Bump firing is legal I believe, but I like a gun that only fires when I want it too, offering no such surprises.

But that's just me.

[Nwcid]

Originally Posted by sterlgrl

Since you are into rate of fire so much, why not apply for a machine gun tax stamp? I mean, since you are already applying for an SBR stamp, why not?

There is NO machine gun stamp to apply for, that is why. You can only legally own machine guns already registered PRIOR to 1986 for private sales. On top of that LEGAL full auto starts at 10x the cost of his SA gun he just bought. I am not sure what a legal full auto Sterling goes for but I am guessing about $10,000.

Me, I don't need either, and I am glad my WLA Sterling has never bump fired on me. Bump firing is legal I believe, but I like a gun that only fires when I want it too, offering no such surprises.

But that's just me.

Bump firing is something you CHOOSE to do. It is not something that accidently happens. Bump firing IS legal because there is only one round discharged per pull of the trigger. If more then one round fires accidently then you have a BROKEN firearm that needs repaired (assuming it is a semi auto).

[sterlgrl]

Originally Posted by Nwcid

There is NO machine gun stamp to apply for, that is why. You can only legally own machine guns already registered PRIOR to 1986 for private sales. On top of that LEGAL full auto starts at 10x the cost of his SA gun he just bought. I am not sure what a legal full auto Sterling goes for but I am guessing about $10,000.

hmmmmmm

Originally Posted by Nwcid

Bump firing is something you CHOOSE to do. It is not something that accidently happens.

I would tell you, which guns I have sold because they too easily bump fired, but I have a feeling that I really shouldn't.

Originally Posted by Nwcid

Bump firing IS legal because there is only one round discharged per pull of the trigger. If more then one round fires accidently then you have a BROKEN firearm that needs repaired (assuming it is a semi auto).

I did not say bump firing is illegal.

I have read the article, from which you lifted, that nearly verbatim quote.

[Nwcid]

Originally Posted by sterlgrl

hmmmmmm




I would tell you, which guns I have sold because they too easily bump fired, but I have a feeling that I really shouldn't.

Well that is a matter of opinion then. Nothing wrong with that.

You just implied earlier that you had a gun(s) that fired when you did not want them to. A gun that fires when you dont want it too is broken or needs adjusted some how.

I did not say bump firing is illegal.

You said you "believed" that is was legal, I was just confirming that it was, and why.

I have read the article, from which you lifted, that nearly verbatim quote.

I have no idea what article you are talking about. It is a simple fact that is even listed in the ATF NFA section that a gun that discharges more then one bullet with a single function of the trigger is a machine gun. That IS the definition of a MG.............

[sterlgrl]

Relax honey. OK?

[flgliderpilot]

Full auto is fun. So is bump firing.

Full auto is legal, and so is bump firing.

Full auto is expensive. Anywhere from ten to a hundred thousand dollars, depending on what you want to have, and you don't OWN it... it needs to be in a trust, etc, in most cases to get the stamp. Bump firing is cheap, the cost of ammo, and a rifle.

Full auto is controllable if done correctly. So is bump firing if done correctly (from the shoulder). I am not really a fan of the "belt loop bump" or bump firing pistols, but that is my own opinion only.

The rifle only fires when I pull the trigger, so there are no surprises here.

Shooting is fun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIC8SMttjjo

[JasonAC556]

Originally Posted by flgliderpilot

..............and you don't OWN it... it needs to be in a trust, etc, in most cases to get the stamp.........

You are incorrect my friend. Normally I wouldn't comment in a thread like this, but This type of misinformation only serves to confuse more people about the legalities of owning full auto weapons.

While it is true that some people may have to go the trust route, the fact is that most people own their FA weapons outright without jumping through the trust hoop.

[sterlgrl]

Originally Posted by flgliderpilot

Full auto is fun. So is bump firing.

Full auto is legal, and so is bump firing.

Full auto is expensive. Anywhere from ten to a hundred thousand dollars, depending on what you want to have, and you don't OWN it... it needs to be in a trust, etc, in most cases to get the stamp. Bump firing is cheap, the cost of ammo, and a rifle.

Full auto is controllable if done correctly. So is bump firing if done correctly (from the shoulder). I am not really a fan of the "belt loop bump" or bump firing pistols, but that is my own opinion only.

The rifle only fires when I pull the trigger, so there are no surprises here.

Shooting is fun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIC8SMttjjo

Interesting video. I think it looks professionally made. I certainly have never seen anyone bump fire with accuracy before, and until now I did not know how to purposely do it at all. I Have seen a few videos, of people doing it for fun, but never with control and accuracy.

I am concerned though, about what good could ever come of posting that, on youtube, for all to see. I hate to imagine, how I would feel, should I later learn that someone immature or irresponsible, regardless of their age, had misused what they had learned from me to harm others. Think of all the kids watching that. I wonder if the man in that video has.

There are also other considerations which bear mention.

Maybe if the BATFE, and their political allies, become convinced that MG restrictions are futile, because, to their mind, they can be easily gotten around by using a perceived technicality like 'one pull one shot', they may then just drop the present full auto restrictions all together or at least relax them. That is, an unlikely outcome however, in my opinion.

Then again, they may instead seek to ban semiautomatic guns, for a start. This is, I believe, far more likely. Now imagine, toward that end, the political hay that could be made with that video.

Considering all of these things together, really makes me wonder just what sort of agenda it was intended to serve, but not very much.

[sterlgrl]

Originally Posted by JasonAC556

You are incorrect my friend. Normally I wouldn't comment in a thread like this, but This type of misinformation only serves to confuse more people about the legalities of owning full auto weapons.

Is it as expensive as he claims it is?

[cavegeo]

Originally Posted by sterlgrl

Is it as expensive as he claims it is?

Since the 1986 ban on new manufacture of machine guns only those that were already registered can be sold on the open market.

Since there can be no more new machine guns the prices for those that exist has climbed significantly. The prices vary from several thousand to hundreds of thousand of dollar depending on the number available.

I believe a sterling FA could be found for around $7,000 to $8,000 or so. You can look on Gun Broker to see the cost.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=178425486

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=177802960

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=176420256

[sterlgrl]

Thank you cavegeo.

It is a very expensive hobby indeed.

I really like your signature.

[JasonAC556]

Originally Posted by sterlgrl

Is it as expensive as he claims it is?

Well, I see cavegeo already answerd this question pretty well.

Full auto is a very expensive hobby indeed. However, owning a FA weapon really isn't that hard once you get past the sticker shock for the price of entry. In a nutshell, anyone that can legally own a gun can own a machinegun. Sometimes, due to uncooperative Sheriffs, Chiefs of Police, etc., some elect to purchase their weapons through a trust or an LLC to bypass the CLEO provision of the transfer process.

All it actually takes most of the time is:
1. Purchase weapon from dealer or private party
2. Correctly fill out an ATF form 4 signed by your local CLEO.
3. Get fingerprinted and passpert photoed.
4. Attach photos, include fingerprints, and mail a $200 check to ATF and sit on your thumbs for a good long while.
5. Once the approved forms come in the mail, take possession of your machinegun and enjoy!!!

That really is it.....no special license or anything required.

[sterlgrl]

Thank you Jason.

That is the most blazingly clear synopsis 'ever'.

[flgliderpilot]

thanks for correcting me Jason. I know in my city the CLEO will not sign off, so a trust or corporation is the only route. I have a few friends with full auto who have spent as much as 30,000 for a fa rifle.

As for the videos on YouTube of bump firing I agree with Stengrl a bit... I wish bump firing had been kept on the "down low" and not advertised.

When you find a loop hole its usually a good idea not to brag about it but it's too late now I guess.

I too feel like it'll come back to bite us which is why I won't post videos of bump firing.. Something best done with friends not the entire world.

[sterlgrl]

Originally Posted by flgliderpilot

As for the videos on YouTube of bump firing I agree with Stengrl a bit... I wish bump firing had been kept on the "down low" and not advertised.

That is not you agreeing with me "a bit".

That is you, putting a spin on what I wrote earlier, distorting my position on this.

Originally Posted by flgliderpilot

When you find a loop hole its usually a good idea not to brag about it but it's too late now I guess.

Am I getting you right, "oops now they are on to us", is what you wish to convey?

There is no us, flgliderpilot. You obviously have an agenda I do not share.

Originally Posted by flgliderpilot

I too feel like it'll come back to bite us which is why I won't post videos of bump firing.. Something best done with friends not the entire world.

You will link to them however. Myself, I have not and will not, and your whole, "I too" thing, is once again very misplaced.

They will eventually "bite us" regardless of this bump fire issue.

Those who wish the American public to be disarmed and defenseless, will employ any and all means they can imagine to accomplish that end, as is evidenced by their own works. There are clearly no means, nor methods, or any amount of horrific consequences to innocent young lives resulting from their employment, to cause even the US BATFE to refrain from using them. They will not be deterred by common sense, the lessons of history, nor any principle or pangs of conscience.

So then my true objection to your posting of that bump fire video, flgliderpilot, is the potential for harm caused both by and to those who are immature or irresponsible, regardless of their age.

I was quite amazed by how well shot and edited that instructional video is. Clearly, the instructor in that video is quite disciplined, being also highly skilled as an arms instructor and very familiar with full automatic firing technique.

It certainly was not the usual, yahoo's and kids sporting around feeling cool, having a good time bump firing their semi auto rifles. Far from it. It was very professionally done, and the authoritarian manner, even gravitas of the instructor, was both undeniable and unmistakable. There is a man having real authority, obviously highly skilled with FA weapons, who is clearly doing something other than just teaching people how to bump fire. I am certain that was just a portion, of a professionally done BATFE video presentation, that is likely used in agent training.