ALL ACTIVE DUTY MEMBERS HEADS UP!!!!

mace2364 · 03-13-2009, 02:00 AM

Gentlemen,

I am an 11B currently assigned at Fort Campbell. I live off post, with my firearms(which I don't bring on post for any reason). A very frightening thing happened at work yesterday. I was ordered to fill out a list containing my firearm information. This included make, model, caliber, and serial number of all firearms I currently posses. In addition, I was also required to list registration information, location of all weapons individually, and information regarding any CCW permits I posses. If you are like me, then the people you work with know you have firearms. So I had to list at least some. I tried to talk to my 1sg(who is normally aproachable through proper channels) to find out what this is for, and I was basically told, "I don't give a !&@%, just put your info on the form." I don't know how high this goes, but I am hearing that this is going on in other units at Fort Campbell as well. It just seems alittle coincidental to me that within 90 days: the most anti-firearm President in history is inaugurated, some of the nastiest anti-firearm laws are put on the table in Washington, and then the Army comes around wanting what amounts to a registration on all firearms, even if they are off post, and doesn't provide any reason or purpose as to why. I fear something really nasty is blowing in the wind here. I have been in almost 8 years, and never have any of my units asked for this information. If any of you out there have any info as to what all this crap is about please chime in. Otherwise consider yourself warned. I have already posted this on every other firearm forum I am a member of to get the word out.

If someone could post directions on how to post pics, and I will be happy to post copies of the forms I mentioned above.

hkfan0866 · 03-13-2009, 02:16 AM

I would have said i sold them at the last gun show, BECAUSE YOU SAW THIS COMING.

And then id move them to a safe location, and make sure you dont tell anyone at all, trust no one at all.

Ive heard it happening at Ft. Benning, as that was my last duty station base, ive had a couple of buddies still down there told me that on Monday...

**quizkid** · 03-13-2009, 02:28 AM

You don't hold any firearms, your wife does. That's all they need to know. And to make it official, sell them all to her for a price and write up a bill of sale. Report NOTHING!

**MuzzleFlash** · 03-13-2009, 03:26 PM

Here it is folks. Time to write your congress critters.

mace2364 · 03-13-2009, 05:14 PM

OK, went to JAG legal assistance today. Basically, I was told to talk to the provost marshal, and if that didn't answer my questions to make an appt next week. Apparently, they were ordered to register their private weapons as well. The Captain I spoke with said this was related to the suicide issue, but she really wasn't sure of the legality of requiring this much info. So tomorrow I will go to the provost marshall. And if that doesn't tell me anything, then back to JAG.

sunnybean · 03-13-2009, 06:04 PM

And if you don't report this information....what happens?

**nayo** · 03-13-2009, 06:42 PM

this sounds a bit unconstitutional. where the hell is the NRA when you need them?

**gtodan** · 03-13-2009, 06:58 PM

I served for twenty three years, six in the Marine Corps and seventeen in the Army. The military runs on regulations. There is a regulation for EVERYTHING. There has to be one for this bunch of shit, which I know it is. Chain of Command is covering it's ass for some reason. Keep your guns off post, they belong to your wife and keep your mouth shut! I don't have any guns SIR!

I remember when we had a draft army they tried pulling the same shit. Afarid some draftee was gonna waste someone in the chain of command. If this is what our military is coming to, we are in some serious doo-doo!

**swood40215** · 03-13-2009, 07:35 PM

Sounds kind of like the list of "firearms you own" on trhe application to work for Obummer. Since all military pesonnel work for him, I guess he needs to know

+1 on the advice that you sold them or don't own any. Remember the Don't ask, don't tell deal.

**ole442** · 03-13-2009, 09:47 PM

Some one should let the NRA, GOA and other2nd ammendment/gun groups know about this. Maybe work hasn't made it to them yet? Just a thought...

**MuzzleFlash** · 03-13-2009, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ole442

Some one should let the NRA, GOA and other2nd ammendment/gun groups know about this. Maybe work hasn't made it to them yet? Just a thought...

Someone has. Keep this thread clean as I expect it will be widely read.

y2k87k2000 · 03-13-2009, 11:53 PM

The provost marshalls regs says that no FA, SBS, Silencer, or anything NFA cannot be taken on post or stored in the arms room period. Saw that and couldn't imagine why.

**medphys** · 03-14-2009, 12:23 AM

Dude, this is a perfect opportunity to take a stand. Show them the The Firearm Owner Protection Act:

Registry prohibition
The act also forbade the U.S. Government or any agency of it from keeping a registry directly linking non-National Firearms Act firearms to their owners, the specific language of this law ( Federal Law 18 U.S.C. 926 (2) (a)) being: No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or disposition be established. Nothing in this section expands or restricts the Secretary's authority to inquire into the disposition of any firearm in the course of a criminal investigation.

mace2364 · 03-15-2009, 02:00 PM

OK, I may finally have gotten to the bottom of this. I talked to one of my buddies, who is in another company, last night. His unit told him this info was for the Chaplan.

It does make Army sense at least. We were subjected to a suicide brief about 2 weeks ago, and during this, the chaplan mentioned that if we were to attempt suicide, then the commander would have him hang on to our weapons for safety reasons.

So while I don't like it, I still at least feel alittle better. I am going to talk to the chaplan this week to make sure this is the case. And then I am still going to look into the legality of this. It still sounds a lot like "false flags" to me. I mean what easier way to get registration of all of the soldiers' firearms, than to convince the leadership that it is nessicery for the safety of their men? I'm not genrally the tinfoil hat wearing type, but I am suspicious of anything (or anyone) that asks for detailed info regarding my firearms.

Also, medphys, thanks for the info. I was looking for that specific law, but I hadn't succeeded in locating it until you posted it.

**ole442** · 03-15-2009, 02:22 PM

Still sounds fishy to me but then, I've never been in the military!

**gtodan** · 03-15-2009, 03:16 PM

I have been in the military and this is bullshit and smokescreens. And since when is the chaplain a source of official military policy. You active duty guys had better get your act in order and smell the roses.

http://oath-keepers.blogspot.com/

**swood40215** · 03-15-2009, 03:40 PM

If someone wants to commit siucide they will find a way. Guns, knives, ropes, cliffs, etc.. I agree that this sounds fishy. Suicides have always been relatively high during wartime, or other high stress times, but that never made them ask for that trype of info before. Only after the inauguration of the current administration.

**ole442** · 03-15-2009, 03:55 PM

I wouldn't be suprised if gun enthusiast sites weren't being monitored and "someone" noticed a lot of members of the active military frequent these type sites. What better way to get a start on controlling the "gun situation" than to start with those under your control!! Just my opinion...

Nwcid · 03-15-2009, 04:01 PM

Didnt want to hijack this thread so I started a new one with a thought, http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44082

.

**MuzzleFlash** · 03-15-2009, 07:11 PM

The military can't force you to do anything with the chaplain or for the chaplain. There was a big boo-ha-ha over at the Air Force Academy over something far less intrusive than this.

This sounds like CYA, but in any case, the chaplain has no more business taking possession of your weapons than the post commander.

03-13-2009, 02:00 AM	#1
mace2364 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 52 iTrader: 0 / 0%	ALL ACTIVE DUTY MEMBERS HEADS UP!!!! Gentlemen, I am an 11B currently assigned at Fort Campbell. I live off post, with my firearms(which I don't bring on post for any reason). A very frightening thing happened at work yesterday. I was ordered to fill out a list containing my firearm information. This included make, model, caliber, and serial number of all firearms I currently posses. In addition, I was also required to list registration information, location of all weapons individually, and information regarding any CCW permits I posses. If you are like me, then the people you work with know you have firearms. So I had to list at least some. I tried to talk to my 1sg(who is normally aproachable through proper channels) to find out what this is for, and I was basically told, "I don't give a !&@%, just put your info on the form." I don't know how high this goes, but I am hearing that this is going on in other units at Fort Campbell as well. It just seems alittle coincidental to me that within 90 days: the most anti-firearm President in history is inaugurated, some of the nastiest anti-firearm laws are put on the table in Washington, and then the Army comes around wanting what amounts to a registration on all firearms, even if they are off post, and doesn't provide any reason or purpose as to why. I fear something really nasty is blowing in the wind here. I have been in almost 8 years, and never have any of my units asked for this information. If any of you out there have any info as to what all this crap is about please chime in. Otherwise consider yourself warned. I have already posted this on every other firearm forum I am a member of to get the word out. If someone could post directions on how to post pics, and I will be happy to post copies of the forms I mentioned above. __________________ Making the world a better place.....one round at a time.

03-13-2009, 02:28 AM	#3
quizkid UZI Talk Life Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Land of the Free Posts: 482 iTrader: 2 / 100%	You don't hold any firearms, your wife does. That's all they need to know. And to make it official, sell them all to her for a price and write up a bill of sale. Report NOTHING! __________________ The problem with common sense is that it's not so common.

03-13-2009, 03:26 PM	#4
MuzzleFlash Moderator UZI Talk Life Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Rockies Posts: 5,017 iTrader: 10 / 100%	Here it is folks. Time to write your congress critters. __________________ "Tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people.... The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision... Assuming you can never lose your freedom, is a mistake a free people get to make only once." --Judge Alex Kozinski of the Ninth Circuit Court in Silviera v. Lockyer

03-13-2009, 05:14 PM	#5
mace2364 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 52 iTrader: 0 / 0%	OK, went to JAG legal assistance today. Basically, I was told to talk to the provost marshal, and if that didn't answer my questions to make an appt next week. Apparently, they were ordered to register their private weapons as well. The Captain I spoke with said this was related to the suicide issue, but she really wasn't sure of the legality of requiring this much info. So tomorrow I will go to the provost marshall. And if that doesn't tell me anything, then back to JAG. __________________ Making the world a better place.....one round at a time.

03-13-2009, 06:58 PM	#8
gtodan UZI Talk Supporter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 568 iTrader: 10 / 100%	I served for twenty three years, six in the Marine Corps and seventeen in the Army. The military runs on regulations. There is a regulation for EVERYTHING. There has to be one for this bunch of shit, which I know it is. Chain of Command is covering it's ass for some reason. Keep your guns off post, they belong to your wife and keep your mouth shut! I don't have any guns SIR! I remember when we had a draft army they tried pulling the same shit. Afarid some draftee was gonna waste someone in the chain of command. If this is what our military is coming to, we are in some serious doo-doo! __________________ Damn Yankees!

03-13-2009, 02:16 AM	#2
hkfan0866 Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 773 iTrader: 8 / 100%	I would have said i sold them at the last gun show, BECAUSE YOU SAW THIS COMING. And then id move them to a safe location, and make sure you dont tell anyone at all, trust no one at all. Ive heard it happening at Ft. Benning, as that was my last duty station base, ive had a couple of buddies still down there told me that on Monday...

03-13-2009, 06:04 PM	#6
sunnybean Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 399 iTrader: 4 / 100%	And if you don't report this information....what happens?

03-13-2009, 06:42 PM	#7
nayo UZI Talk Life Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: South Florida Posts: 896 iTrader: 4 / 100%	this sounds a bit unconstitutional. where the hell is the NRA when you need them?

03-13-2009, 07:35 PM	#9
swood40215 UZI Talk Supporter Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Louisville, Ky Posts: 517 iTrader: 5 / 100%	Sounds kind of like the list of "firearms you own" on trhe application to work for Obummer. Since all military pesonnel work for him, I guess he needs to know +1 on the advice that you sold them or don't own any. Remember the Don't ask, don't tell deal.

03-13-2009, 09:47 PM	#10
ole442 UZI Talk Supporter Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Too close to the city Posts: 526 iTrader: 18 / 100%	Some one should let the NRA, GOA and other2nd ammendment/gun groups know about this. Maybe work hasn't made it to them yet? Just a thought... __________________ "Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun"

03-13-2009, 11:53 PM	#12
y2k87k2000 Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Arlington TX Posts: 112 iTrader: 4 / 100%	The provost marshalls regs says that no FA, SBS, Silencer, or anything NFA cannot be taken on post or stored in the arms room period. Saw that and couldn't imagine why. __________________ aka KY (Thanks Roverdave) (screw Maj Nadal Hasan)

03-14-2009, 12:23 AM	#13
medphys UZI Talk Life Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: NW Ohio Posts: 904 iTrader: 9 / 100%	Dude, this is a perfect opportunity to take a stand. Show them the The Firearm Owner Protection Act: Registry prohibition The act also forbade the U.S. Government or any agency of it from keeping a registry directly linking non-National Firearms Act firearms to their owners, the specific language of this law ( Federal Law 18 U.S.C. 926 (2) (a)) being: No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or disposition be established. Nothing in this section expands or restricts the Secretary's authority to inquire into the disposition of any firearm in the course of a criminal investigation. __________________ "She feeds them, I shoot them." Jarhead Jim. "Who ever said 'Money can't buy happiness' never shot a machine gun." My 13yo son.

03-15-2009, 02:00 PM	#14
mace2364 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 52 iTrader: 0 / 0%	OK, I may finally have gotten to the bottom of this. I talked to one of my buddies, who is in another company, last night. His unit told him this info was for the Chaplan. It does make Army sense at least. We were subjected to a suicide brief about 2 weeks ago, and during this, the chaplan mentioned that if we were to attempt suicide, then the commander would have him hang on to our weapons for safety reasons. So while I don't like it, I still at least feel alittle better. I am going to talk to the chaplan this week to make sure this is the case. And then I am still going to look into the legality of this. It still sounds a lot like "false flags" to me. I mean what easier way to get registration of all of the soldiers' firearms, than to convince the leadership that it is nessicery for the safety of their men? I'm not genrally the tinfoil hat wearing type, but I am suspicious of anything (or anyone) that asks for detailed info regarding my firearms. Also, medphys, thanks for the info. I was looking for that specific law, but I hadn't succeeded in locating it until you posted it. __________________ Making the world a better place.....one round at a time.

03-15-2009, 02:22 PM	#15
ole442 UZI Talk Supporter Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Too close to the city Posts: 526 iTrader: 18 / 100%	Still sounds fishy to me but then, I've never been in the military! __________________ "Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun"

03-15-2009, 03:16 PM	#16
gtodan UZI Talk Supporter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 568 iTrader: 10 / 100%	I have been in the military and this is bullshit and smokescreens. And since when is the chaplain a source of official military policy. You active duty guys had better get your act in order and smell the roses. http://oath-keepers.blogspot.com/ __________________ Damn Yankees!

03-15-2009, 03:40 PM	#17
swood40215 UZI Talk Supporter Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Louisville, Ky Posts: 517 iTrader: 5 / 100%	If someone wants to commit siucide they will find a way. Guns, knives, ropes, cliffs, etc.. I agree that this sounds fishy. Suicides have always been relatively high during wartime, or other high stress times, but that never made them ask for that trype of info before. Only after the inauguration of the current administration.

03-15-2009, 03:55 PM	#18
ole442 UZI Talk Supporter Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Too close to the city Posts: 526 iTrader: 18 / 100%	I wouldn't be suprised if gun enthusiast sites weren't being monitored and "someone" noticed a lot of members of the active military frequent these type sites. What better way to get a start on controlling the "gun situation" than to start with those under your control!! Just my opinion... __________________ "Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun"

03-15-2009, 04:01 PM	#19
Nwcid Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,013 iTrader: 8 / 100%	Didnt want to hijack this thread so I started a new one with a thought, http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44082 . __________________ John Just remember there are no stupid questions, just stupid people asking questions. Anyone who would sacrifice freedom for security deserves neither!!! "Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of it's stated intent." Gun control defined: The theory that people who are willing to ignore laws against rape, torture, kidnapping, theft, and murder will obey a law which prohibits them from owning a firearm.

03-15-2009, 07:11 PM	#20
MuzzleFlash Moderator UZI Talk Life Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Rockies Posts: 5,017 iTrader: 10 / 100%	The military can't force you to do anything with the chaplain or for the chaplain. There was a big boo-ha-ha over at the Air Force Academy over something far less intrusive than this. This sounds like CYA, but in any case, the chaplain has no more business taking possession of your weapons than the post commander. __________________ "Tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people.... The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision... Assuming you can never lose your freedom, is a mistake a free people get to make only once." --Judge Alex Kozinski of the Ninth Circuit Court in Silviera v. Lockyer