Anyone ever have this feeding prob???

TobyHKnut

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I recently switched out my upper on the SBR ar15 10.5 inch The lower is an SP1 I put in a timmney trigger and it seems to work very well love the feel of it...I took it to the range today and tested it. Fired perfectly and very accurate...until the mag (30 rounders) got to about 4 or 5 rounds left The it started to double feed, fail to eject etc this was consistent so I put in my HK416 mag NEVER has a prob same exact thing perfect when mag is full 3 or 4 rounds left double feeds doesn't eject Just so I know I wasn't going crazy I put the mags into my reg other ar and NO problems at all???

Never had this kinda odd...any opinions on what to look for or check?

Thanks
 

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Double feed of two live rounds = mag problem

"Double feed" of one live round denied chamber by an empty that failed to eject = dropped extraction. Basically, ejector overpowers extractor. Not uncommon with shorties (low dwell).

Make sure gun passes one round test (ie., not a failure to eject b/c of short stroking). Single round must eject and bolt must stay back. Check your extractor claw for damage. If tests OK, and extractor is undamaged, install O/D ring or use X-power extractor spring.

Sometimes a brand new chamber that has some roughness can aggravate the problem, as can a very dirty chamber.

Rarely, you may find a heavy buffer is needed - if the X-power spring or ring doesn't do it.

Sam
 

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Thanks for the info! It was not a double live feed...it was a the extractor prob sounds like

I will check it out...

Appreciate it...
 

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Just curious....what is the cause of this happening only when the mag is low yet functions flawlessly when the mag is full?

Thx just curious
 

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the cartridges in the mag are exerting enough pressure on the bolt to slow it down some. Get an O or D ring and put it under the extractor, a heavy buffer couldn't hurt either.
 

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Like Chili said, the cartridges in the mag are putting more pressure on the bolt carrier when the mag is full...but as the mag gets to the last rounds, the pressure is less. The weaker pressure allows the rotating bolt to rotate faster, causing greater centrifugal force, which will make the extractor lose its grip on the case rim.

There are several ways to resolve this problem, but I will give you my personal recommendation.

First, on any shorty, you will want an improved extractor function. That can be done by adding a D-fender ring to a standard 4 coil extractor spring, or by adding the Colt black insert and a wolff extra power 5 coil extractor spring. That will help the extractor fight the powerful centrifugal force.

Also, a heavier buffer could be used, like an H, H2, H3, MGI etc.

With any buffer, I would highly recommend a David Tubb Premium Chrome Silicon buffer spring, which is rated as a "standard power" spring, but it improves the cycling function, because it remains CONSISTENT over the life of the firearm. Most buffer springs will shrink and get weaker over time, allowing the bolt to unlock faster and faster over time, which causes the problems that you mentioned. The Tubb Speedlock Spring will "lock" the rotating bolt speed at one consisent repeatable level, so that it will function the same on round # 500,000 as it did on round # 1.

In your case, it seems that the magazine spring pressure played a role in the problem. A solution to that is to use a better magazine spring...one with more consistent power throughout the entire range of the spring compression. ISMI Premium Magazine Springs are a great way to make your mags run better. Most mag springs have pressure that drops off dramatically when there are only a few rounds left...as you have seen even with an HK 416 mag.

If you check the "Parts & Accessories For Sale" section, you will see that I have a David Tubb Speedlock Chrome Silicon Premium Buffer Spring, and ISMI Chrome Silicon Premium 30 rnd magazine springs (which also come with the green anti tilt mag follower) for sale. These upgrades, along with a D-fender ring, should solve all of your problems in the cheapest way possible.
 

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Like Chili said, the cartridges in the mag are putting more pressure on the bolt carrier when the mag is full...but as the mag gets to the last rounds, the pressure is less. The weaker pressure allows the rotating bolt to rotate faster, causing greater centrifugal force, which will make the extractor lose its grip on the case rim.

There are several ways to resolve this problem, but I will give you my personal recommendation.

First, on any shorty, you will want an improved extractor function. That can be done by adding a D-fender ring to a standard 4 coil extractor spring, or by adding the Colt black insert and a wolff extra power 5 coil extractor spring. That will help the extractor fight the powerful centrifugal force.

Also, a heavier buffer could be used, like an H, H2, H3, MGI etc.

With any buffer, I would highly recommend a David Tubb Premium Chrome Silicon buffer spring, which is rated as a "standard power" spring, but it improves the cycling function, because it remains CONSISTENT over the life of the firearm. Most buffer springs will shrink and get weaker over time, allowing the bolt to unlock faster and faster over time, which causes the problems that you mentioned. The Tubb Speedlock Spring will "lock" the rotating bolt speed at one consisent repeatable level, so that it will function the same on round # 500,000 as it did on round # 1.
 

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Thanks guys for all then info! It has also reminded me that in my box of old goodies I have a D ring! I am gonna put it in and replace the spring too. I have 3 or 4 buffers and gotta remember which is which lol will monkey with them too...and report back. Sounds like you guys got it right on the head tho, described perfectly..as usual a wealth of info Thank you!
 

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Toby,

I suggest that you change one thing at a time. I would put the D ring around the stock extractor spring first. Try it. If problem is solved - call it good. There is such a thing as too much extractor tension. The result can be a failure to fully chamber rounds as the extractor doesn't easily slip over the rim (remember these are push feed mechanisms).

Leave the heavy buffers till last, unless you just want to reduce ROF.

Sam
 

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Sam

Thanks! I was actually thinking that exact same thing I have an identical Colt bolt in my 6920 and I am going to one...try that first...second try the D ring third the D ring & spring and lastly the buffer....

Appreciate it :cool
 

TobyHKnut

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This is why I come here first!

You guys were right on the money...as usual Thx for all the info and assistance

I replaced the extractor spring with a "stock" spring...then added the "D" ring

BINGO flawless :)

As always...great and helpful info on these boards!
 
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