Anyone getting in on these? Fostech echo!
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komodoj
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So..... Myself and another forum member did a review of the New BFS3. I'll start off saying that thee install was nothing more than installling a regular LPK except the safety selector was a pia!! So we started out with a regular carbine buffer spring and an H2 buffer. The host gun is a Sbr Anderson lower with a 12.5" barrel. So in binary mode it does what it says pull fire, release fire! It's a little tricky doing the whole mag dump thing because you have to remember full pull full release. We were getting a good amount of hammer follow so we ended up changing to an H buffer and there supplied Heavy buffer spring and we were able to dump mags about 85% of the time. Think the trigger needs some break in an we need more practice to get to that other 15%!! Ok the cool part! We installed the 22lr kit with the M&P 22 mag adapter and the damn thing ran like a Raped Ape!!! The RO ran over just shaking his head saying "I hate you guys!!!!" I'd say right out of the box it ran just as good as any other FA 22 gun? Imho! So far my conclusion is if you want to just do the Bang bang,Bang Bang thing then any old spring or buffer will work right out of box. But if your looking for Fa Rate of fire speeds then you will have to use there supplied buffer spring, Carbine/H buffer and maybe a LW carrier? Some mini videos to come. Sorry we were so exited running the kit we didn't get a chance to film much!!! This kit is worth it. I'm gonna probably cancel my echo deposit or sell it because I love the way this kit runs 22lr!!! 9mm is next for review! A special thanks goes out to member RBLMM for all his uppers and help! 
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I bought the liberator trigger and its an unreliable PIECE OF SHIT! IE first round fires on pull, but nothing happens on release, but you gotta clear the unfired cycled round....and then fires on pull but not on release..... I contacted the company and they were like ohhh welll they do tend to have that issue :-(
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komodoj
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Sweet. Ty for sharing. It definitely can happen wth trigger control!! We are almost to that point!! Really happy we got the BFS3. On a side note it's best in 22lr. It's so fun and CHEAP!!
For those with Echos on order. A guy on another forum who pre-ordered his on Feb 25th has recieved UPS shipping confirmation yesterday with an estimted delivery of tomorrow. Just to give a window idea to the guys here. The date on my pre-order is Mar 6th. Once I hear anything I will post.
komodoj
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Spoke to Judd personally. Triggers ordered in mid march to mid April will ship out 4-5 weeks from now. There's a few new reviews of the new echo trigger on YouTube including a video on "Bookface" of Chad, Eric's brother aka "Iraqveteran888" converting it to it run 9mm!! Still on fence about completeing my order because I love my BFS3 running 22lr )
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grezy
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Had to make a slight modification on my gas piston bolt carrier for my 7 1/2 inch magtactical SBR , and it runs like a beast I also have the BFS 3 in another rifle and it works just as advertised I don't think you could go wrong with either one just my two cents
Concorde
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A Franklin BFS Gen 3 arrived here today for a special build I'm doing. The source I bought the trigger from has more in stock for immediate shipment... $395 plus $8 shipping.
EDIT: For any of you that are interested in seeing it, CLICK HERE for the Installation and Operation documentation that came with it.
I won't be using the red label that they provide... the lower I'm putting this into already has engraving in the "happy switch" position.
The instructions mention choices between mil-spec and lighter springs (both are provided) depending on whether you use ammo with "hard primers". I see from a Google search some brands of 223 ammo that are reported to have hard primers... I'll probably start off with the lighter springs and change out later if problems show up.
EDIT: For any of you that are interested in seeing it, CLICK HERE for the Installation and Operation documentation that came with it.
I won't be using the red label that they provide... the lower I'm putting this into already has engraving in the "happy switch" position.
The instructions mention choices between mil-spec and lighter springs (both are provided) depending on whether you use ammo with "hard primers". I see from a Google search some brands of 223 ammo that are reported to have hard primers... I'll probably start off with the lighter springs and change out later if problems show up.
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Hawaiian Human
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Ordered my Echo Trigger on March 13th and just received it via UPS yesterday. Took longer than getting ATF approval for a machine-gun - but a lot cheaper. I installed it in my SBR today and it passed a function check. Haven't yet taken it for a test fire. So far I'm happy even with the delays by Fostech. It looks like a very well built trigger, and it has a nice light two stage trigger pull in semi mode.
It won't work with an M&P 15-22 without modification.
It won't work with an M&P 15-22 without modification.
Concorde
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I got my Franklin BFS put into a lower today (it's my DOLOS project gun in THIS THREAD).
It went in almost like any other trigger, except that all the parts are assembled with a slave pin to hold the complex bits together (trigger, two disconnects, and an internal and external spring). Following the directions, it went together easily.
But then I decided that I wanted it in a DIFFERENT lower.
When I took it out of the first one, it came apart (sigh), and it was a real challenge to get it all back together! For awhile I was concerned that I might have to send the pieces to Franklin Arms to do their magic and return it to me as a subassembly again. But I stuck with it, and eventually got it back into the state it was when I first took it out of the package. Then, as before, it went into the (other) lower very easily.
Lesson learned: Plan to install it JUST ONCE and LEAVE IT THERE!
It went in almost like any other trigger, except that all the parts are assembled with a slave pin to hold the complex bits together (trigger, two disconnects, and an internal and external spring). Following the directions, it went together easily.
But then I decided that I wanted it in a DIFFERENT lower.
When I took it out of the first one, it came apart (sigh), and it was a real challenge to get it all back together! For awhile I was concerned that I might have to send the pieces to Franklin Arms to do their magic and return it to me as a subassembly again. But I stuck with it, and eventually got it back into the state it was when I first took it out of the package. Then, as before, it went into the (other) lower very easily.
Lesson learned: Plan to install it JUST ONCE and LEAVE IT THERE!
Concorde
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Exactly! I know better now.
I took the BFS out for a range test today... it worked wonderfully for a magazine and a half. It was GREAT FUN while it lasted. Then when moving the selector between modes (semi/safe/binary) and trying to shoot binary after switching from semi, the trigger would not move... it was as if the gun was in safe mode. I took off the upper, but the dry fire testing of hammer release and reset in each mode was fine. I put the upper back on, and again the trigger would not move in binary position. Taking off the upper once more, this time the same problem occurred with the workings fully exposed. It will take more investigation, but it appears that there is a tiny bit of interference between the mechanism and the selector -- sometimes. Build up of tolerances perhaps? I'll bring more info when I figure it out.
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Concorde
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ALL BETTER NOW. And I have to admit the problem was my fault. I had apparently kinked the BFS 3's internal reset spring of the second disconnector when I'd put it back together when moving it to the other lower.
I took it all apart again, put in the new spring (it's a cut-down pivot pin detent spring), put the trigger subassembly back together, and reinstalled it. As difficult as it was the previous time, it was a breeze this time around. After dry-fire testing, I tried it at the range -- works great.
This installation video by Franklin is very informative:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBoScHvilQ0
Oh, and on an only barely related note, if you use blue Loctite on your firearms, consider trying VC-3. After seeing it mentioned in a guns magazine, I bought some off of Amazon and I like it MUCH better than blue Loctite.
I took it all apart again, put in the new spring (it's a cut-down pivot pin detent spring), put the trigger subassembly back together, and reinstalled it. As difficult as it was the previous time, it was a breeze this time around. After dry-fire testing, I tried it at the range -- works great.
This installation video by Franklin is very informative:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBoScHvilQ0
Oh, and on an only barely related note, if you use blue Loctite on your firearms, consider trying VC-3. After seeing it mentioned in a guns magazine, I bought some off of Amazon and I like it MUCH better than blue Loctite.
Got my Echo in. The unit is very well built. After installation into a Rock River Arms lower the selector was pretty stiff, but the tolerances loosened up a bit after flipping the safety selector lever back an forth a bit.
Cycling by hand shows Safe and Semi position working well.
Dry hand cycling (function testing) in Echo mode is hit or miss. Sometimes it cycles perfectly with hammer dropping on pull and reset, but other times the hammer only drops on the pull, but not the reset. When that happens flipping the safety lever back to SEMI makes an audible click as the hammer moves into position, then pulling the trigger causes the hammer to fall.
I'll take it out this weekend and actually put some rounds through it and see if it runs or not.
Cycling by hand shows Safe and Semi position working well.
Dry hand cycling (function testing) in Echo mode is hit or miss. Sometimes it cycles perfectly with hammer dropping on pull and reset, but other times the hammer only drops on the pull, but not the reset. When that happens flipping the safety lever back to SEMI makes an audible click as the hammer moves into position, then pulling the trigger causes the hammer to fall.
I'll take it out this weekend and actually put some rounds through it and see if it runs or not.
Mine function tested the same but I didn't have any trouble consistently firing doubles and rapid strings of fire. Its different than the BFS, the BFS you have to release the trigger all the way, on the ECHO you have to pull the trigger back all the way.....I am much faster with the BFS, but I am also running a Aim LW BCG and a strong Wolf spring in my BFS setup.
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