Are SS FRT driving down M16 prices?
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colossians323
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Maybe post up those 23k deals?
StenAtopia
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Just skim through Sturm. They are there!
StenAtopia
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Two seconds on Sturm found this and there’s others. Amazing what you can find if you take the time to look!
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Colt AR15 A2 Neal Smith auto conversion in Austin TX 24k
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I think that the economy, or at least all of the doomsayers, is causing a lot of people to hold off on bigger purchases for now. That would cause sales to be down and prices reflect that.
I know a lot of 'gun people' who never heard of an FRT or SS or if they did either don't know much about them or they think that they will be taken away next month so I don't think that they are affecting the MG market all that much. Of course there has to be at least some affect on price (supply and demand).
At this point I wouldn't touch an M-16 that wasn't a super collector's item. The FRTs are that close. Especially any aftermarket NFA conversions or DIAS type parts. Sure there could be new rulings or legislation coming but for now the price difference is so huge that it's worth the risk of losing $150 or so to save $20,000 plus.
I know a lot of 'gun people' who never heard of an FRT or SS or if they did either don't know much about them or they think that they will be taken away next month so I don't think that they are affecting the MG market all that much. Of course there has to be at least some affect on price (supply and demand).
At this point I wouldn't touch an M-16 that wasn't a super collector's item. The FRTs are that close. Especially any aftermarket NFA conversions or DIAS type parts. Sure there could be new rulings or legislation coming but for now the price difference is so huge that it's worth the risk of losing $150 or so to save $20,000 plus.
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While I think it is quite likely that money spent on FRT/SS products will eventually be lost, I do believe there is potential upside should they ever be banned with existing units grandfathered, however unlikely that may be. In that sense, it could be a high-risk, high-reward investment.
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Yesterday I listened to a local fudd gunsmith (bad one) tell me he thinks pistol FRTs should be illegal because bad people will use them but he's ALL for removing the NFA.
I just sat there for about 5 seconds in slow motion waiting for him to understand what he said. He just gave me a look of, "What?" I Then he went on and on about how FRTs, binary, bump stocks are all gimmicks. I had to walk away.
I just sat there for about 5 seconds in slow motion waiting for him to understand what he said. He just gave me a look of, "What?" I Then he went on and on about how FRTs, binary, bump stocks are all gimmicks. I had to walk away.
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Guys, Just enjoy them why you got them. I wish I was able to own one in FL, the so called GunShine state. The good news is we have a tax free pass on anything gun related, even MG’s.
This is something that I’m worried about too. The only good thing the MG’s have going for them (I wish it wasn’t this way but it is), is the registration (tax, fingerprints, background, photo and all the other things) all of them is the liberals wet dream and what they want (what they want for everyone with every firearm sale). If they take that away, they’ll have really hard time for anyone to go along with their plans, as they say we don’t want to take them (they do want to take them), just to make sure they’re registered and have universal background checks.
That being said, sooner or later we’ll probably lose them too and I hate to say that (hope I’m wrong). Maybe just maybe, we’ll have enough testosterone left in congress to stop it. My viewpoint is the same with MG’s is the same as FRT’s enjoy them while you got them.
Personally, I’m still hoping that the FRTs will make the MG market crash and maybe I’ll be able to afford an HK sear (it’ll have to be one hell of a crash for me to be able to afford one though). That ain’t happened yet. I think a lot of the lower sales with the MG market is due to the economy being in trash, FRTs, the dollar don’t have any buying power (inflation) and having no panic buying due to Trump being in office. I’ve never bought MGs as an investment (granted, it’s a plus) but rather it’s something that I truly enjoy and I’m planning on passing them down (Lord willing).
Lastly, take your kids / family out with them and enjoy it. Anytime you have to opportunity to let someone who doesn’t own a MG / FRT to shoot, let them shoot yours (as long as they’re competent and can safely do it). The more people we can get on our side, the better chance we have of winning the long run.
JMO.
This is something that I’m worried about too. The only good thing the MG’s have going for them (I wish it wasn’t this way but it is), is the registration (tax, fingerprints, background, photo and all the other things) all of them is the liberals wet dream and what they want (what they want for everyone with every firearm sale). If they take that away, they’ll have really hard time for anyone to go along with their plans, as they say we don’t want to take them (they do want to take them), just to make sure they’re registered and have universal background checks.
That being said, sooner or later we’ll probably lose them too and I hate to say that (hope I’m wrong). Maybe just maybe, we’ll have enough testosterone left in congress to stop it. My viewpoint is the same with MG’s is the same as FRT’s enjoy them while you got them.
Personally, I’m still hoping that the FRTs will make the MG market crash and maybe I’ll be able to afford an HK sear (it’ll have to be one hell of a crash for me to be able to afford one though). That ain’t happened yet. I think a lot of the lower sales with the MG market is due to the economy being in trash, FRTs, the dollar don’t have any buying power (inflation) and having no panic buying due to Trump being in office. I’ve never bought MGs as an investment (granted, it’s a plus) but rather it’s something that I truly enjoy and I’m planning on passing them down (Lord willing).
Lastly, take your kids / family out with them and enjoy it. Anytime you have to opportunity to let someone who doesn’t own a MG / FRT to shoot, let them shoot yours (as long as they’re competent and can safely do it). The more people we can get on our side, the better chance we have of winning the long run.
JMO.
A&S Conversions
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You are aware that there is a set up for using a Super Safety with a roller delayed gun, right?
Certainly, the FRT/SS mechanisms can mimic full auto ROF. But they are apples and oranges. As with all luxury items, down turn in the economy, prices soften. I can’t believe that the FRT/SS has any effect on actually registered machine gun market value. These mechanisms certainly have filled a void.
How many Americans can spend $25,000 “cash” on a toy? It is my understanding that more than half the households in the US would have financial turmoil if they had a $400 unexpected bill. That isn’t even the cost of a case of 5.56X45 ammo.
Certainly, the FRT/SS mechanisms can mimic full auto ROF. But they are apples and oranges. As with all luxury items, down turn in the economy, prices soften. I can’t believe that the FRT/SS has any effect on actually registered machine gun market value. These mechanisms certainly have filled a void.
How many Americans can spend $25,000 “cash” on a toy? It is my understanding that more than half the households in the US would have financial turmoil if they had a $400 unexpected bill. That isn’t even the cost of a case of 5.56X45 ammo.
Pretty sure MG's are kinda where they should be price wise.
In 2017 I passed on a trade for a Colt Gov. Property marked M16.
10k in cash and 10k in parts kits.
Today 8 years later the same gun is around 30k and it seems all MG's have rose that 1/3 in price or real close to it +/-
I like the FRT stuff but I'm kinda biased I really never met a gun I didn't like.
I'll keep buying and shooting FRT stuff until I can't then back to the M10 and miniuzi for transferables.
The most butt hurt crowd is going to be the shooters that only have FRT setups and are forced back to slow semi.
The Rheeeing wild be heard around the nation.
But it does seem MG prices are where they are still being purchased I see lots selling still of all flavors.
In 2017 I passed on a trade for a Colt Gov. Property marked M16.
10k in cash and 10k in parts kits.
Today 8 years later the same gun is around 30k and it seems all MG's have rose that 1/3 in price or real close to it +/-
I like the FRT stuff but I'm kinda biased I really never met a gun I didn't like.
I'll keep buying and shooting FRT stuff until I can't then back to the M10 and miniuzi for transferables.
The most butt hurt crowd is going to be the shooters that only have FRT setups and are forced back to slow semi.
The Rheeeing wild be heard around the nation.
But it does seem MG prices are where they are still being purchased I see lots selling still of all flavors.
I'm definitely butthurt about Oregon and their Florida style FRT and binary laws they forced through.
I guess on the bright side my transferrable is still legal. Not really sure what planet that makes sense on but it ain't this one! I really, really need to leave this disaster of a state.
I guess on the bright side my transferrable is still legal. Not really sure what planet that makes sense on but it ain't this one! I really, really need to leave this disaster of a state.
colossians323
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Nope, still not the 23k deal I am looking for. You posted that they were 23-25. I personally requested the 23k deal.Two seconds on Sturm found this and there’s others. Amazing what you can find if you take the time to look!
Colt AR15 A2 Neal Smith auto conversion in Austin TX 24k
Nice Colt SP1, large pin, Neal Smith conversion. Gun runs great. Gun has a Geiselle Super Select Fire trigger and with anti-rotation pins (must haves for any M16). Upper is a PWS MK111 MOD 1-M which fits perfectly, Scalarworks 1.93 mount with Sig Romeo 5 latest generation, Magpul MBUS backup iron...
My guess is you were wrong. I did do a search on storm before I posted and came up with the same thing you did.
not one 23k deal that has been sitting on sturm with no one buying it.
Slabsides have always gone for lower amounts
If you find the mythical 23k deal that has been sitting with no one buying, please post it up.
StenAtopia
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Easy search. Here are two! The 23k one just sold after like 3/4 months at 23. The second one is listed at 25k but he will take 23k. I PM’d the guy and told him you would be contacting him to buy it. I gave him your info. Congrats on your purchase!!!!
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https://www.sturmgewehr.com/forums/index.php?/topic/41718-wts-olympic-arms-transferable-m16-25k/
SPF Transferable Essential Arms J15 M16 Converted by Special Weapons $23k
SPF to FineFirearms772! Excellent EA J15 transferable on a Form 4 in Pennsylvania. I've owned it since 2020 and it's been flawless with multiple uppers. No out-of-spec issues and mags drop free. Used often but well cared for and not abused. Private seller but I can provide references here and/or ...
https://www.sturmgewehr.com/forums/index.php?/topic/41718-wts-olympic-arms-transferable-m16-25k/
Recent Morphy’s prices showed M16s and everything HK being very high, but the listed Uzis, MACs, and various other older open bolt designs seem like they have come down a good bit. I saw a number of MACs below $10k. Seems like not long ago they were creeping into the teens.
edmoore
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Owning an FRT-3, Alamo-15, SS and a Skeleton as well as a F/A M16, I can only say that the the FRT types run and run well, actually a bit faster than F/A, with the Alamo-15 being way faster due to the wheel. F/A's are collectibles and worth it as an investment, but if all you want is to shoot, as we all do, then by all means go with the FRT you like and buy as many as you can. F/As will keep their prices but it is different market than FRT's, which everyone should own. Just my 2 cents.
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