ATF is adding 4000 transferable Machineguns to the registry including many MP-5’s.

[mattnh]

I'm quite intrigued if any novel items show up in the transferable market

 

[A&S Conversions]

Another addition benefit for the PreSample MP5s. They are factory built guns. The last I knew, HK would only work on factory guns. So if you had a SOT conversion, HK would not work on it. If you owned a factory MP5, I would think that you could send it to HK and have it totally rebuilt and refinished with all new factory parts. So that beater '82 MP5 could be rebuilt into a brand new F model. What would that be worth to the collector market?

Scott

 

[boomer535]

So, any word if there are any UZIs?

I am sure that police imported Uzi’s before 86. There must be.

 

[boomer535]

In the video he said they were going to auction off some MP-5’s that were pre samples but are now transferable. Would be interesting to see what they go for.

 

[K2]

Hi,

I know there are new real uzi SMG's talking with local FFL/SOT folks. There have been a few real MP-5's that went for auction lately. IIRC, they were in the 80-90k range.

Wish there were a test other than waiting for BATF to respond to a letter to find today's status of a pre-sample. I'm not sure the e-forms non-denial when filling out an e-form4 is 100%.

Just sayin,

K2

 

[boomer535]

I heard from a Dealer on another site that his an M240 and M249 beltfeds flipped to transferable. He said he knows of at least 4 more M249’s that are transferable now. He says he thinks there were 50 to 60 pre May M249’s before this so there could be more then 5 that flipped to transferable. I think these new Transferables will be snapped up by people with some serious cash. There may be some more Aug’s that are Transferable now too.

 

[prdubi]

What I am saying is out of say 15000 LE agencies over 16 years and change only 4000 bought one imported mg each? Equipping a swat team with mp5 s for example would usually require at least 10 to arm a small one with a spare or two. I gotta believe more than 400 swat teams bought imported guns over that time. Plus even the smallest PD has a few toyz stuck in the armory for emergencies.

Samples are just that, an actual order would be new guns purchased for/by them.

The MG34 came from a Montana Sheriffs Dept and was a post 68 pre86.

The story my uncle got was that this was the 70's and they were worried about Indian resurrections and attacks going on as it happened in Canada and the Dakotas due to the American Indian Movement.

8mm was cheap also.

One would think they can get 1919s and cheap 3006. But then again the gun was ordered from J Curtis Earl so who knows.

 

[slimshady]

I've seen old police only ads where you buy a CETME for $129 and they throw in a free case of ammo to shoot it with! West German Police surplus MP5s with 6 straight spare mags in black leather pouches and other accessories for $350. There were some bargains to be had in that limited market for sure, I can see old JCE flipping obsolete Nazi heavy metal thunder if they were priced right.

Definitely not something you would expect to find in police inventory though. In any event a lucky payday with the change in status.

 

[Chicken Men]

I have 3 pre samples. An early HK MP5, Walther MPk, and an Ithaca M3A. How do I determine if they may have been changed to transferable? My eforms inventory list doesn't identify tax status.

Bruce

 

[StenAtopia]

I have 3 pre samples. An early HK MP5, Walther MPk, and an Ithaca M3A. How do I determine if they may have been changed to transferable? My eforms inventory list doesn't identify tax status.

Bruce

Do a FOIA. Form. There are many threads on Sturm explaining it.

Classified Pre-samples now transferable

So what are dealers seeing on this? Anyone have anything that was a sample that is now transferable??

www.sturmgewehr.com

 

[MG34_Dan]

Does this reclassification apply to Pre-Sample suppressors?

 

[StenAtopia]

Does this reclassification apply to Pre-Sample suppressors?

Have not heard anything on Supressors?

 

[mattnh]

Have not heard anything on Supressors?

Fwiw, I know of an HK factory SD can that went transferable

 

[Billman]

I know of a factory HK can as well

 

[A&S Conversions]

It is my limited understanding that the NFA items that could not be transferred to private individuals or corporations because of the Gun Control Act of ‘68, but were transferred to Government Agencies, are the Pre Samples that had had a change in Transferable status. But the items that were imported as Pre May Samples that were not transferred to a Government Agency are still considered Pre Samples. So an HK MP5 SD that came into the country in 1984 that was transferred to a Police Department would have the change in status to transferable. A WW II Thompson M1A1 that was imported back into the country in 1970 as a Pre Sample, but had not been possessed by a Government Agency, is still considered a Pre May Dealer Sample.

There were a bunch of HK 94 carbines imported in 1991. Because these carbines were imported to the State of California, even though they didn’t comply with the ‘89 import ban. But since the 94s were imported for a Government Agency the import restriction was waived. It is my understanding that both the importation of “Assault Weapons” and the importation of NFA items simply restricts importation. Once these items are imported for a Government Agency, these restrictions are no longer in effect and the Government can dispose of the items as they see fit. This importation limit has been satisfied by the Government Agency. But this Government Agency satisfying the importation limit restriction is only for those items. Any other items would still have the importation restriction. That is why it is only items that were possessed at one time by a Government Agency, has had the restriction in transfer removed.

Scott

 

[Chef]

It is my limited understanding that the NFA items that could not be transferred to private individuals or corporations because of the Gun Control Act of ‘68, but were transferred to Government Agencies, are the Pre Samples that had had a change in Transferable status. But the items that were imported as Pre May Samples that were not transferred to a Government Agency are still considered Pre Samples. So an HK MP5 SD that came into the country in 1984 that was transferred to a Police Department would have the change in status to transferable. A WW II Thompson M1A1 that was imported back into the country in 1970 as a Pre Sample, but had not been possessed by a Government Agency, is still considered a Pre May Dealer Sample.

There were a bunch of HK 94 carbines imported in 1991. Because these carbines were imported to the State of California, even though they didn’t comply with the ‘89 import ban. But since the 94s were imported for a Government Agency the import restriction was waived. It is my understanding that both the importation of “Assault Weapons” and the importation of NFA items simply restricts importation. Once these items are imported for a Government Agency, these restrictions are no longer in effect and the Government can dispose of the items as they see fit. This importation limit has been satisfied by the Government Agency. But this Government Agency satisfying the importation limit restriction is only for those items. Any other items would still have the importation restriction. That is why it is only items that were possessed at one time by a Government Agency, has had the restriction in transfer removed.

Scott

What you say sounds correct, as far as I can tell based on what I'm seeing.
I would add, however, I believe that any post 86 firearms, regardless if imported for or used by a government agency, will still bear their restricted status.

 

[slimshady]

What you say sounds correct, as far as I can tell based on what I'm seeing.
I would add, however, I believe that any post 86 firearms, regardless if imported for or used by a government agency, will still bear their restricted status.

Post 86 machine guns, the other items in the NFA were unaffected by the Hughes amendment.

 

[STL/NERDS]

It took 6 months but finally received via snail mail the determination on a full sized and a mini uzi that are now transferrable, letter stated the NFTR has been amended to reflect their status and they are fully transferrable .
Now trying to arrive on fair market valuation .

 

[ferndog1]

Several sold at Morphy's December auction
lots: 2021, 2046, 2075 listed prices include 20% buyers premium, prices will probably make you smile.

Catalog - December 10-13, 2024 Firearms & Militaria

 

[STL/NERDS]

Thanks for the link to the auction, Wow, your not kidding on pricing. Pleasantly surprising .
Thanks again. STL