Buying my first Auto, intro and advice please

[Wastin Ammo]

Hello from Fort Lauderdale, Florida. I've been shooting since the early 80's, always been a very tactical guy. Prior Military with some LE, firearms and tactics instructor, etc. Went cooperate for the golden handcuffs 16 years ago so now I can afford to have cool stuff.

Lots of fond memories and got to experience a crazy array of full auto and other fun toys while in the Navy working with the UN. I got to try everyone's toys and our armory was full of some crazy stuff that got confiscated during operations or was left behind by rotating troops.

I've been in the NFA world for a while and have 11suppressors and 4 SBR's, now I am staring full auto in the face for a first purchase.

I am looking at the Mac only because of what Lage has done with the Max-31 and their other uppers, shot plenty of the open bolt bullet hoses back in the day and was never impressed. But from what I've researched and seen in video's, for the money it's a very viable option now and a good value.

I like to do tactical type stuff and would probably run it on drills, not sure about competitions, not that willing to travel and find most "sports" promote more racing than good habits. But mostly it will be a range toy, grin factory for myself and friends.

Within my budget I could spend more but I really want a good optics rail, forward grip, options to suppress, maybe shoot 22lr and the ability to change cyclic rates. I can handle recoil very well and although 1000+ is too high, I'm sure 600 is on the low side of what I'd want also. Plan is to get a Max-31 of some flavor and keep upping the speed until it gets sloppy or I can't pull off single shots.

I have several options to buy locally for M11/9, M10/9 and M10/45 and any will work with the Max-31. Not sure if I'd ever want to go 45acp so it's not a buying criteria that would push the M10 over the M11. Fairly sure I want nothing to do with .380ACP. Right now SWD M11/9, or a bunch of different RPD M10's either over stamps or just RPD in either 9 or 45 are what I can pick from.

If I ever do want a short 9mm I'd probably go Lage upper anyway so I'm really just picking a good deal on a host receiver. I heard from Lage MFG, that Richards preferred host for the Max-31 is the SWD M11/9, but it's a very close margin and I think it may be pushed by fitment problems with some of the various M10's.

Any thoughts or advice from the people who have already traveled this road?

I also have a pile of sten mags that no longer have a purpose and the conversion for the Max-31 seems perfect. Not sure if anyone is offering the service to modify other peoples Sten magazines but if I have to do them myself I have the ability.

Anyway, just wanted to say Hi, been reading and learning a bunch here and appreciate the comunity you all have built.

 

[TheColtCollector]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0XFNbGmewPE

That's the premier set up^

 

[Battering ram NIB]

Welcome....a Mac is a great choice as its one of my favorites and it costs the least. I always recommend the Mac 10/45 as you have the ability to do .45 and 9mm....and it also is the lowest priced Mac...for me its win/win....i dont think its too large as some do....if you never want anything besides 9mm and want a smaller package then the mac 11/9 is for you...it may cost you $1,000 more which by the way is the cost of a Max 10/31

you have picked the easiest to find FA and one of the lowest priced, so you should find something you like quickly...

good luck!


here's my favorite mac 10/45 video---with some work its controllable and notice how it knocks down a human target with 16" legs..i just find it awesome....and my 13 year old son can now control the factory upper and do the same to that target.....45 and 9mm are only $25 PER 1,000 difference in price and i enjoy shooting 2 calibers..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1XdAwNTWi0

 

[nklf]

Based on what you want to do, I would recommend the M11-Nine. To me the M11 grip well is more comfortable than the M10 (M10 feels like a 2x4). Also the manufacturing tolerances were all over the place on M10s. The M11-Nine was only made by SWD so there is less variance so less issues fitting aftermarket accessories and uppers. I like the Max31a but I am sure you will be happy with a Max31. At the current time the M11 is more versatile. There is talk about a CFW bolt for the M10, but that is a ways down the road and may or may not happen. Same with a 223 upper. Lage may make a 223 upper for the M10 but that will not happen for a while. Magazines are not cheap for the M10-9mm either but are available.

With the M11-Nine you have various Lage uppers available now plus the CFW bolt. Z Mags are readily available and very dependable. Parts are available and they are a lot of fun to shoot. My M10 sits in the safe. My M11 and M11a go to the range. (that may change as I recently received my Max10-31 upper but have not had time to shoot it yet)

 

[Hey...]

I like smaller so although you ruled out the 380, you can get a max31k which is a badass little setup. Wish he'd offer a 31k for the m11/9 but don't think that's going to happen.

The CFW bolt in a compact gun is the cat's meow. The only Lage I'd want is the 31k, but again, he wont offer it for my gun.

Another idea in the general price range is a registered slotted Uzi bolt you can drop into a semi gun with a couple mods.

Welcome to the forum.

 

[rybread]

M11/9 all day and all night- first and best subgun. Lage & CF-W products, with a rifle caliber upper on the horizon.

 

[Wastin Ammo]

Thank you everyone, The CFW bolt is interesting, I'm not sure if that can work with a Max-31 or not, but I'm sold on the 72 round drums so the Max-31 is happening, I noticed from the Knob Creek completion that I didn't see a single M10 competing, even with a Max-31 on it. I think that along with what I keep hearing is pushing me SWD M11/9 to avoid fitment issues.

Is anyone taking the Sten conversion for the Max-31 and running with it? I'd love to get my 20 magazines converted or buy the pieces already machined if it's an option.

I'll be asking advice later on about the Max-31 vs Max-31a or K version, need to get the clock started on the tax stamp first.

 

[root]

Welcome

I say get what you LIKE!

I bought the original Powder springs 45 I wanted a original gun and I wanted 45 acp I also sourced and battering ram will like this one a NIB 2 stage suppressor for it.
I wanted and still like the original size and look of the MAC-10
I now do have a MAX 10/31 but like others I'm to busy working to to get out and run it.
Also like you I'll be modding a bunch of Sten mags for the gun over the winter so I will be making a run of the back tabs that get either welded or epoxied on the back of the Sten mags.

Again I say get the gun YOU WANT you're the one that's paying for it and have to look at it.

Honestly though it sounds like the SWD M11 is what you may want after reading your post.

I've only shot one SWD gun and it was bone stock pre TASK or LAGE.
And it lived up to the jam o matic rep. it had.
That is no longer a problem with all the stuff out there for it.
The SWD M11 is a whole new refined critter thanks to some very innovative people.

Rich

 

[Starvingboy]

You might check out BRP Corp's offering. When I was all set to have one, and only one machinegun, that is what I went with. Mine takes Suomi Drums or Suomi Mags, and you can swap it over to .45 and run Grease gun mags. BRP has good customer service... and you'll find lots of folks saying "I wish I would have bought one when they were only $$X,000.oo"

Due to some unexpected circumstanced, I ended up with a few other guns, including a M10, which now sports a lage upper. I'll be the guy at the creek running my BRP in the subgun match

 

[Wastin Ammo]

Thank again, the responses coming in are great, Starvingboy, does BRP have a website? I can't seem to home in on them with Google.

 

[Hey...]

Thank again, the responses coming in are great, Starvingboy, does BRP have a website? I can't seem to home in on them with Google.

Here's a link to BRP's website. The registered tube can be worked up into different flavors. The link goes directly to the Thompson 1928 flavor which uses a lot of factory Thompson parts. Very neat.

http://www.brpguns.com/stg-1928-parts/

 

[sleepy]

I would take a baby Mac over the rest. I have owned all 3 and the baby Mac is my favorite

 

[Battering ram NIB]

if youve got $10-11k i would also recommend at least looking at the BRP.....there is no comparison between the smoothness of a BRP tube gun and a mac....some like the BRP looks, many dont...but no one can argue against it being a brand new gun w/ a warranty and its flawless function....service is the best ive run into in the NFA market too

as far as mac's go now is the perfect time as the market seems to be at a very low point w/ few guns selling and prices dropping...

 

[Wastin Ammo]

The BRP is interesting, but I don't think it's me. The Mac is supported by so many companies and their are so many of them I just don't see support ever being an issue. Also, with all the caliber options, it's just the swiss army knife of full auto right now.

I just can't get into .380, I don't want another caliber to stockpile, I expect .380 will keep going up in price and gets harder to find with all the micro 9mm pistols out today.

Really loving all the ideas and viewpoints, thank you all for sharing.

 

[nklf]

I understand what you mean on the cost of .380 ammo. However, if you find a deal on one you might consider it. Just because it is a .380 does not mean you have to shoot .380. The Max31a and Max31k uppers on the baby Mac are a joy to shoot. With the new CFW-A bolt you can even shoot 9MM in the stock upper if you get a large grip well gun. And the gun is fun to shoot in .380 as well (insanely fast, but very controllable).

I think based on what you stated in OP the M11/Nine is more what you are looking for, but don't get too focused and miss a deal.

I like the BRP guns also, but I don't think they match what you are looking for.

 

[LawBob]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0XFNbGmewPE

That's the premier set up^

nice, but I prefer http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/showt...picture-thread&p=745180&viewfull=1#post745180

 

[Wastin Ammo]

nice, but I prefer http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/showt...picture-thread&p=745180&viewfull=1#post745180

I agree, the bolt may be nice, but the stock guns need a place to put your off hand that is forward. I think the Max-31 with a 3-lug would be perfect for me. Suppressor covers are fine to hold onto if your ammo dosn't require a hand truck. I use a hand truck.

 

[Captain murrica]

Wish he'd offer a 31k for the m11/9 but don't think that's going to happen.

This needs to happen. Love my 31, but I'd love it more if it was shorter and lighter.

 

[supperman]

I have a 10/9 and a 11a1 large magwell. My favorite of the two is the 11a1 and its not even close, however, I think my interest in the 10 will pick up once Lage makes the 10/15.

I have both the Max31A and Max11a1mk2 uppers for the baby mac....and my favorite is the Max11a1mk2 with 50 round Zmags.

 

[boomer535]

I live in Spring Hill Florida. I own both M10/45 and M11/9. My M11/9 is set up with the CF-W bolt. The CF-W bolt transforms the M11/9. It makes it better then an Uzi, and smaller and lighter then an MP5. I like the max10 31 upper that Lage came out with, shooting 9MM in my M10/45 would be nice. I would get the M11/9 with the CF-W bolt first along with the Grey Ghost upper. That would be a sweet SMG.