CNC Warrior Galil Gas Blocks possibility

[AresShrike]

I just got off the phone with CNC-Warrior. They received all three gas blocks, the AR, ARM, and Sniper gas blocks.
They are almost done CAD modeling the gas blocks.

They just want to speak to a specific "very well known Galil specialist builder", about producing the gas blocks, first.

Hmmmmmm????? I wonder who that might be?
What one man could have so much expertise in the Galil, and be such an accomplished builder, that CNC-W would have to speak to him, before putting those blocks into production?

I'm sure he's no arrogant "plumber", who's only built a very few Galils. (apology's to "T.", as he's a great AK, and FAL builder, but, when it comes to Galils, there is only one who towers above all others)

Hey, I did start that "Galil Build" thread, so...........maybe it's me!!! I'd better wait by the phone for their call!!!!

 

[adipose]

I just got off the phone with CNC-Warrior. They received all three gas blocks, the AR, ARM, and Sniper gas blocks.
They are almost done CAD modeling the gas blocks.

They just want to speak to a specific "very well known Galil specialist builder", about producing the gas blocks, first.

Hmmmmmm????? I wonder who that might be?
What one man could have so much expertise in the Galil, and be such an accomplished builder, that CNC-W would have to speak to him, before putting those blocks into production?

I'm sure he's no arrogant "plumber", who's only built a very few Galils. (apology's to "T.", as he's a great AK, and FAL builder, but, when it comes to Galils, there is only one who towers above all others)

Hey, I did start that "Galil Build" thread, so...........maybe it's me!!! I'd better wait by the phone for their call!!!!

Jeff has already talked to Denny on this; as well as myself.

Jeff and I have also talked about this; as it will be a challenge to make these not as cast parts' but machined parts in a cost effective way.

God Speed Ahead

 

[AresShrike]

As of this afternoon, Denny still wants to talk to "the builder" some more, about making those gas blocks. It could be just to ask which "the builder" feels would sell the best, and not a technical "how too" question.

Denny is still entertaining the idea of producing the blocks, as he is still continuing with modeling of the blocks.

I'd like to think, that after receiving the gas blocks, and looking them over, Denny would be able to answer whether or not he could reproduce it, whether by CNC machining, or casting.
I guess it's not quite that easy to tell if it could be accomplished, even for a highly skilled machinist like Denny.

I was really hoping Denny would be able to cast them, like Blackthorne did, only much better. I don't know, but, I don't think they could be machined to look just like the cast part.
That's the thing for me, it's gotta look just like the original, not like a brick with two big holes, and a gas port.
Obviously though, CNC-W wouldn't bother CAD modeling the originals it that was their intent.

Let's wait and soon we'll know whether or not they can do it or not.

 

[k7]

Thank you for posting updates, I'm sure everyone appreciates you taking lead on this.

 

[Mr Folgers]

Just to confirm:
CNC shipped back the samples I sent as promised.

 

[AresShrike]

Yes, I talked to them on Tuesday, and they said they were sending back the gas blocks, now that they've finished CAD modeling them.
I spoke with "the builder" to inform him that CNC Warrior wanted to speak to him, about all this, and they'll further discuss it.
Apparently, Denny, at CNC-Warrior, has examined the gas blocks, and believes it can be done, or he wouldn't be continuing with this, but, as many have stated, it'll be about the cost effectiveness of reproducing the blocks that's the issue.
Casting is possible, but super expensive. CNC machining with the 5-axis cnc machine is also very time consuming, and expensive.
We'll keep you posted, and thanks so much for sending in those gas blocks.
Take care, and God Bless you and yours.

 

[stealth 2]

Not as long of a shot as you would think

Just wondering are you guys (CNC/W) going to take a shot at these?

Please say yes.

 

[AresShrike]

I spoke to Denny, at CNC-Warrior, at great length today.
First, and foremost, he said he can definitely make the gas blocks, by CNC-machining them, to be exact reproductions to the IMI block!!!
He's going to start some pre-production samples now.
(he's a little hesitant about having to weld on the sling loops, as their not welders over there. I don't see that as a problem at all)
He's wondering how many would sell, in a few years, which is one of the things he wanted to talk to "the builder" about.
His initial "ball park" pricing wasn't at all unreasonable either.
We thought it best not to do any "pre-sales" until he gets the pre-production samples done, and can have a more solid idea, as to pricing.
His other concern is the availability of gas blocks from other sources, such as the crappy out of round blocks that popular site sells, or the heavily worn APEX parts kits'.
I said we basically have two types of builders, those who will build a cheap slap together gun with the cheap worn out parts kit, and those who don't want worn parts, and buy individual "new" condition parts, like 24 Hour Tactical has, but no "new" condition gas blocks are around. (unless you want to do an SAR, then you could get one from Blackthorne, that's supposed to be new IMI)

I suggested he make an initial run of 100, as I'm sure they'd sell out within a year.
I told him the ARM type would probably be the most "lucrative" for him to make, as the AR, ARM, or SAR could easily be made from them.

We also need someone to send in a "New" condition Galil folding stock pin, the axis pin that the stock pivots on, not the roll pin that secures the stock to the receiver.
Denny wants to do some New folding stock pins, as the only ones available, are worn.
That pin would have to be sent to their PO box, listed on the website for CNC-Warrior
(It'll be returned, of course)

 

[RSR]

Remember no one has/is making the sniper blocks...

 

[raexcct2]

Can you give us a ballpark figure for what the gas block will run? I would rather put a new production gas block on a new manufactured barrel for my future Galil builds.

 

[AresShrike]

RSR,
Yes, we know about the Sniper blocks, and they've modeled that one too (or at least I think they did, as one was sent to them for CAD modeling)
I would definitely want several, probably three.
I'd like to get it rolling first with the probably more "profitable" ARM, AR, SAR block. Then, when they see how it profited them, they'll be more willing to give a heavy barrel (sniper) version a shot.
I hear ya' brother, but let's not shoot for the stars just yet, and get what's "in our sights".
Personally, I'm just so relieved that Denny is totally confident that he can do it.
Thank God we didn't give up when some said "it couldn't be done".

 

[AresShrike]

raexcct2,
No, I don't want to say the figure Denny mentioned, until he's had a chance to make his initial pre-production run, so he could be more sure of the prices.
Ballpark, it was "south" of Blackthornes SAR blocks, but, again, that's an early "ballpark" figure, prior to the pre-production run, so....but it shouldn't be too far off, hopefully.

 

[Mr Folgers]

We also need someone to send in a "New" condition Galil folding stock pin, the axis pin that the stock pivots on, not the roll pin that secures the stock to the receiver.
Denny wants to do some New folding stock pins, as the only ones available, are worn.
That pin would have to be sent to their PO box, listed on the website for CNC-Warrior
(It'll be returned, of course)

I can send in a new pin (I forgot about that when i sent the blocks) if nobody else will volunteer by Monday.

I sold like, 300 of those pins in the last 2 years, so I know people have them :tinfoil

 

[AresShrike]

Thanks Mr Folgers, because I can't find "new" ones.
Maybe the only people that have the new ones, are the people you sold them too, Ha! Ha! Ha!
By the way, they're the same as the SA stock pins - (I think you told me that)

I just talked to Jeff. He said the original sling loop was cast into the block, and not welded on, because they didn't want the possibility of the sling loop breaking at the weld.
I told Denny, I think they were welded on.......Oooops!!
I've gotta tell Denny that. I hope that doesn't F the whole thing up, just as we got past all the other issues, like the need for "chrome" lining vs. Nitriding (MUCH better), and the question of whether or not it could be machined properly.
Dag Nabbit!!!!
I guess you could always add a sling loop, Darn it!!! The purists among us, me included, will not be 100% happy about that!
(Calm down Bill, you've much to be happy about!)

 

[Mr Folgers]

Thanks Mr Folgers, because I can't find "new" ones.
Maybe the only people that have the new ones, are the people you sold them too, Ha! Ha! Ha!
By the way, they're the same as the SA stock pins - (I think you told me that)

I just talked to Jeff. He said the original sling loop was cast into the block, and not welded on, because they didn't want the possibility of the sling loop breaking at the weld.
I told Denny, I think they were welded on.......Oooops!!
I've gotta tell Denny that. I hope that doesn't F the whole thing up, just as we got past all the other issues, like the need for "chrome" lining vs. Nitriding (MUCH better), and the question of whether or not it could be machined properly.
Dag Nabbit!!!!
I guess you could always add a sling loop, Darn it!!! The purists among us, me included, will not be 100% happy about that!
(Calm down Bill, you've much to be happy about!)

Probably doesn't matter.

For what it is worth, I've found the stock Knuckles to have welded hoops and function just fine.

 

[AresShrike]

"Probably doesn't matter.

For what it is worth, I've found the stock Knuckles to have welded hoops and function just fine."

That's worth a lot, and is very comforting, as we've gotten this far, it'd be a shame to see it all fall to shit, over a friggin' sling loop.
Thanks Mr Folgers.

 

[4040peters]

Silver soldering the sling loop would work. We used to silver solder pins into stampings and, if done right, they never loosened up or broke.

 

[AresShrike]

I just spoke to CNC-Warrior this morning, and they said the gas blocks will be in production "soon".
"Soon", of course, being a relative term.

 

[Mr Folgers]

I just spoke to CNC-Warrior this morning, and they said the gas blocks will be in production soon.

I sent Denny a new stock pin last month also, but I have not heard from him yet.

If you could inquire about it the next time you are in contact, I would greatly appreciate it.

 

[AresShrike]

He got the stock pin, and said it was within .0040" of the pin they already sell, which I thought was weird, as the only stock pins I see on their site, which they call the Micro Galil Buttstock Axle Pin, and is only 1.350" long. They are very different from the regular stock pins I have for the Galil AR/ARM. I guess the Micro Galil uses a different stock pivot pin.
They also have a "Micro Galil Buttstock Button", which looks similar to a short version of the pin I need, but it's only 1.250" long, and is obviously not it either.
The ones I'm talking about, are for the AR/ARM, and the buttstock pivots on it. Their like 2 1/8" long overall, and stepped in thickness from about 3/8" diameter (for about 3/4") down to 1/4" diameter (for about 1 5/16"), with the C-clip slot machined out on that 1/4" end.
I'm going to have to send them one of mine, but their both a little worn.
Maybe I'll just wait on the Galils to come from Jeff, and pull one of those new pins out, and send it to CNC for "modeling".
I've also got to get a "new" condition bullet guide, to send it in to CNC, for modeling.
They will be sending your pin back soon though, and thanks so very much for your help with those pins, and your excellent advice on lot's of things.
It's greatly appreciated.

Additionally, it was suggested, that they (CNC-Warrior) might be running their last Galil receiver batch soon. It wasn't a definite thing, but, when I asked about the availability of Galil receivers, as I wanted to get, from 2-9 of them, depending on my situation, they said - "Are you on the preorder", I was like "no", and she told me that she didn't know if they were going to make any more after this next batch.