Everyday Carry

[sniperdoc]

I hear you Gaujo.

I've had more experience with striker fired handguns (esp. Glocks) than any other firearm. There are multiple safeties and these guns just don't fire unless you pull the trigger. By all means, protect the trigger, but anything additional just adds potentially deadly delay.

A great many LEOs I served with carried Glocks (Depts issued them to ppl who wanted them, mostly G22s), with Sig 220s and 1911s running neck and neck as the most popular "Private Purchase" sidearms.

 

[ScooterTrash]

I'm reminded of that video from a few years back where a guy didn't feel comfortable carrying his gun with one in the chamber...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FXHVjXPtJk

If you insist on carrying with a "safe gun" you better be proficient in your draw.

If you carry empty chamber just leave it at home. Literally the equivalent of saying I'll have time to put on my seatbelt before an accident.

 

[Gaujo]

If you carry empty chamber just leave it at home. Literally the equivalent of saying I'll have time to put on my seatbelt before an accident.

I am starting to come around. I realize now that a striker fired pistol in a holster that secures the trigger should be similar to a DA/SA in condition 2. Also thinking about that Beretta P4X compact carry instead of that sig p365xl.

 

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[Jmacken37]

Gaujo, be sure to get your hands on the pistols you are considering. Of the two current high capacity micro pistols, the P365 allowed me to get a whole hand grip vs. the Hellcat. Of course, I've got specific needs (strong side front pocket carry) and your mission should of course drive your gear.

ScooterTrash, that's a great analogy.

 

[slimshady]

Different strokes, but if I have to pull a pistol, I don't want a manual safety slowing me down or getting in the way. I think it is pretty revealing that most law enforcement agencies (FBI, Air Marshalls, multiple state and local PDs, etc) do not use manual safety sidearms. Of course, you could argue that a duty holster adds a level of "safety" but no thanks on a manual safety. These modern, micro, striker fired, high capacity, 9mm pistols are just amazing feats of engineering. 11 rounds of duty/HD 9mm in a pocket with a nice trigger? Crazy!

That's more a "lowest common denominator" training issue than speed. Manual safeties require additional training, costing agencies more$$$. Glock gained such a large share of the PD market because when it first showed up US PDs were starting to transition to the autopistol from DA revolvers in large numbers. The Glock "safe action" was essentially a DA only trigger system and the lack of a manual safety meant the training to transition from revolver to auto was minimized since the only "new" things to teach were dealing with magazines, cycling the slide, and field stripping procedures to clean it. The DA/SA "Wundernines" of the era had safeties and you had to deal with the changing trigger pull, while the heavier DA pull often lowered scores due to a pulled first shot, administrators were nervous about the "hair trigger" SA that followed. Even back in the revolver era several agencies insisted on DA-only revolvers to eliminate the possibility of unintended discharges if an officer cocked his weapon.

Well, that and the huge discounts PDs got for agency purchases of Glocks...

Since the manual safety is disengaged during the final presentation of the gun to firing position (or left off) it doesn't appear to slow down the draw and fire sequence. If it did, safety equipped hammer fired autos would have disappeared from IPSC the moment a suitable safety-less striker fired model appeared. I learned to shoot on safety equipped guns and even if carrying a safety-less striker pistol I will unconsciously flip my thumb down to disengage the safety that isn't there.

 

[Jmacken37]

There's no doubt that a skilled user who adequately trains can overcome the extra step of disabling a manual safety. Plenty of cops learned that manual of arms with the S&W autoloaders in the 80's/90's.
I guess, I just see no need for manual safeties on a sidearm that is being carried in a holster of some sort that covers the trigger.
A combat rifle with a safety is an entirely different matter. I appreciate a manual safety on my long guns.

 

[slimshady]

While it may be safe(ish) once it's in the holster, the act of holstering and especially re-holstering is where many ADs happen. Any idea how many Glocks have gone off while being holstered? Real easy for a shirttail, flexible edge of the holster, or other object to get caught in front of the trigger and set them off when pushed down into the holster. It happens so often someone came up with a mechanical solution.

https://taudevgroup.myshopify.com/products/striker-control-device

I have also seen holsters with Kevlar muzzle plugs designed to catch the bullet that would have otherwise taken off your "recreational equipment".

 

[fortyfive1911a1]

I really did not intend for this to be a “you’re doing it wrong if you don’t agree me with” thread. Was simply curious what firearms a group of enthusiasts that I respect carry.

 

[Gaujo]

Sorry for the hijack. I'll start a diff thread.

 

[fortyfive1911a1]

Sorry for the hijack. I'll start a diff thread.

You’re good! Sorry - didn’t mean for my comment to come off so harsh. Wasn’t directed at anyone.