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a one trick pony

It may come as shock to some here on a hard core fan boi site, but there are plenty of MG buyers that just want the cool factor of full auto. Some may rarely even shoot them. The concept of multi caliber conversions, tacticool mounts and tons of accessories isn't even on their radar. The Uzi, especially the Full Size, fits their needs and then some.
 

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It may come as shock to some here on a hard core fan boi site, but there are plenty of MG buyers that just want the cool factor of full auto. Some may rarely even shoot them. The concept of multi caliber conversions, tacticool mounts and tons of accessories isn't even on their radar. The Uzi, especially the Full Size, fits their needs and then some.
I guess I have a poor people mindset. I like for high cost guns to do all they can. I have brp stemple guns for that reason.
I am also a huge believer in spare parts for my guns.
 

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I reckon everyone has their opinion. I just look at versatility, when there’s the option to do so. And when there are options that allow versatility, they should be priced higher than a one trick pony.
Although I think we have a similar view that registered receiver with blocking bar should not be more expensive than a registered bolt.There are sellers, and buyers falling for it, that price registered receivers with blocking bar the same as those without. I have to imagine that there’s alot of regret once they figure out how limited they are.

Considering that a full size UZI is often a first time MG buyers first MG, these buyers usually aren't up to speed on the different options available, or how to spot them. And a lot of sellers feign ignorance and ask for top dollar for lesser conversions, knowing full well that the potential buyers for these guns are usually rather ignorant. A lot of these first time buyers just want something that says "UZI" on it and shoots FA. And that's what they get.
Most of them probably only shoot it once a year, mostly just to flex for their friends.
If they were collectors or true aficionados of the UZI, they would have done the minimum research and know what they are looking at before dropping a check for the purchase.
 

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I’d take a registered bolt over a RR w/ (blocking bar) if they were priced the same. The registered bolts can be reconfigured to work in minis and micros which multiplies their value here within the transferable community.
 

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Has anyone confirmed the latest position that ATF takes regarding reconfiguration? Years ago there was some caveat about the conversion part still had to operate correctly in the originally intended host... Or so I had been lead to believe.
I had a registered B&G slotted Mini bolt that had been cut down from a Full Size. I don't recall it still operating in a Full Size but I could be wrong.
 

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I get that they say that when asked, but how does the ATF they know it has a blocking bar? Isn't it just registered as an Uzi receiver?
This is my question as well. I'm sure the original registration paperwork would mention "receiver" or "bolt," but are they that specific as to mention "receiver, blocking bar removed" or "receiver with slotted bolt"?
 

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This is my question as well. I'm sure the original registration paperwork would mention "receiver" or "bolt," but are they that specific as to mention "receiver, blocking bar removed" or "receiver with slotted bolt"?
 

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"how does the ATF they know it has a blocking bar?"

They don't. And they would have no real way of knowing. You can draw your own conclusions.
Believe it or not, registered bolt conversions were much more desirable back in the day. The supply of brand new Action Arms Uzis was considered a perpetual faucet that ensured a life long supply. The idea that the registered part could practically fit in your pocket and drop into any Uzi carbine with very little extra work was very appealing to many. I personally encountered many Carbines at shows and shops that the selector levers moved to the 3rd position indicating the stop had been removed. Things like that weren't considered a big deal by most.
Removal of the blocking bar was a well known sixty second technique. They were usually left in place for a reason. It wasn't always just out of laziness.
No one could foretell that a last minute addition to the most fought for piece of pro gun legislation (FOPA) would soon change the landscape forever.
 

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"how does the ATF they know it has a blocking bar?"

They don't. And they would have no real way of knowing. You can draw your own conclusions.
Believe it or not, registered bolt conversions were much more desirable back in the day. The supply of brand new Action Arms Uzis was considered a perpetual faucet that ensured a life long supply. The idea that the registered part could practically fit in your pocket and drop into any Uzi carbine with very little extra work was very appealing to many. I personally encountered many Carbines at shows and shops that the selector levers moved to the 3rd position indicating the stop had been removed. Things like that weren't considered a big deal by most.
Removal of the blocking bar was a well known sixty second technique. They were usually left in place for a reason. It wasn't always just out of laziness.
No one could foretell that a last minute addition to the most fought for piece of pro gun legislation (FOPA) would soon change the landscape forever.
I'm not certain that is correct. To my recollection when guns were converted prior to the 1986, cutoff manufacturers were required to provide a description of how the guns were converted. Certainly an individual could do a FOIA request to see what is listed on the original Form 1.

That being said, I used to keep an informal list of Uzi serial numbers and I did know of at least one gun where the blocking bar somehow disappeared. No I don't have the list any more.
 

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As far as moving a reggy bolt it if the bolt is the reggy part no issue as Navgunner and others have said.
I just got my mini bolt approved this Mon 5 week 6 days paper F4
Lazy me sat on the paperwork for a bit before mailing it out.

It was a FS semi cut to a mini .
I only sent the paperwork in for the serial # on the bolt and it was approved.


The bolt works in my FS semi IMI gun and the IMI mini it came with.
We ried it a few years ago since I've known the owner of the gun for 25 years and he purchased the setup from Spaiwik around 08.
Even have a 19 inch barrel for the mini so I don't have to send in more paperwork when the bolt is out of it.
It just runs a bit faster then the standard UZI due to being lighter.

But RoverDave is right 99% of the time I plan to just leave it in the mini.

I mght finally send out the micro kit to be built just to say I have that to.
The sad part is I've got so much time on the gun I bought I am not even excited.
Well I am the mini was the IMI gun I was missing and a reggy bolt is perfect for me.
This is more for my son since he will be priced out of all the cool stuff.
He is still a teen and gets all my cool stuff when I get a new carrer in lawn care pushing daisies.
 

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As far as moving a reggy bolt it if the bolt is the reggy part no issue as Navgunner and others have said.
I just got my mini bolt approved this Mon 5 week 6 days paper F4
Lazy me sat on the paperwork for a bit before mailing it out.

It was a FS semi cut to a mini .
I only sent the paperwork in for the serial # on the bolt and it was approved.


The bolt works in my FS semi IMI gun and the IMI mini it came with.
We ried it a few years ago since I've known the owner of the gun for 25 years and he purchased the setup from Spaiwik around 08.
Even have a 19 inch barrel for the mini so I don't have to send in more paperwork when the bolt is out of it.
It just runs a bit faster then the standard UZI due to being lighter.

But RoverDave is right 99% of the time I plan to just leave it in the mini.

I mght finally send out the micro kit to be built just to say I have that to.
The sad part is I've got so much time on the gun I bought I am not even excited.
Well I am the mini was the IMI gun I was missing and a reggy bolt is perfect for me.
This is more for my son since he will be priced out of all the cool stuff.
He is still a teen and gets all my cool stuff when I get a new carrer in lawn care pushing daisies.
May I ask who cut your full size bolt down?
 

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No idea my buddy bought it that way in 08.
All I know is it was the best try before you buy item I've ever purchased.
I have been out shooting it with him probably a dozen times over the years with that gun.
I think it is a pretty common thing to do back then for the IMI mini since they IMI mini wasn't made/imported till after 86.
I've seen a few reggy bolts slotted and chopped over the years for sale that are setup for all three guns.
 

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For me it's a decent piece to the NFA collection.
3 possibly 4 guns to run it in.
I don't care it is 9mm only.
I have a powder springs M10 with 7 uppers from the flemming 22 to the lage 556 upper. Along with the OG 45 setup with 2 stage Sionics can.

I'm more pumped to get the MK9 can with the mini.
That can was made just for it and excells at what it does.
 

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I run a AWC MK9 can on my full size and it’s unbelievable how quiet it is a subsonic ammo.
 

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Good video covering the two basic conversion methods, but there were other things that people did. Some registered the receiver and then slotted the bolt instead of removing the blocking bar. Bottom line is that a properly converted registered receiver with the blocking bar removed is the most flexible option, most like the original UZI SMG, and demands the highest price. You get all of that out of the box with the Vector UZI, but in exchange for a receiver that's out of spec and has sometimes caused problems until it's repaired.

I think it's useful to note that once the repairs are done, the Vector is good to go.
The reason I mention this is because I have seen people criticizing Vectors in an exaggerated manner and I think that it's not helpful to the newbies to discourage them from buying a perfectly good firearm.
You'll find people out there saying "NEVER BUY A VECTOR!" and there is no logic or truth in it. If a gun runs good and is durable and accurate, why not buy it?

I had to have my Vector rewelded by BWE, but since then, 10 years ago, it's been perfect. I have about 25,000 rounds through it and it's amazingly accurate and reliable.
It cost $671 to have it rewelded and blueprinted.
The only part I ever replaced was an extractor that lost its springiness.
Of course, I'm just one data point, but you don't see people complaining about Vectors on the internet like they they have ongoing problems. And Vectors are priced the same as IMI full auto 100% conversions, give or take.

The only caution I would give to Vector buyers is that if your Vector is needing repair, you need to make sure you send it to a really good gunsmith. It's not a complicated gun, but a bad gunsmith can still leave you with a mess of a gun. I actually first sent mine to a gunsmith who warped it while doing the trunnion welds and all of his work had to be redone by BWE. Vector receivers are heat treated to increase the surface hardness, and they warp if they are not welded properly.
 

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In practice, someone with a full size registered UZI bolt rarely moves it to a different host, so I consider a registered bolt and a registered receiver that still has a blocking bar/married bolt to have equal functionality, so I'd price them the same.

Your point is true about the functionality being the same, but people generally appear to consider a 100% FA conversion to be the apex of the UZI pyramid.

When people do mods on UZIs, it's always in the direction towards 100% SMG spec.

(Technically, original IMI SMGs are the apex, but they're pretty much impossible to find.)
 

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I agree the 100% a converted to FA spec. uzi is the best you can get of you are only buying one MG and it's a uzi.

I would have had zero interest in my transferable bolt if I didn't have the M10 with all the cool uppers.
Reason being I would have wanted all the 22 through 45 acp conversions for it.
Why I bought the M10 I wanted the 45 acp option.
This way here the bolt stays in the mini and I have the option to move it to my full size but probably never will, we did that years ago so I know it already works.

ETA: nothing wrong with a vector full size uzi if it has the bugs worked out.
They are built on FS FA specs.
Same as a rushed 1986 M11 or any MG rushed along to be built in the last final months.
Nice thing is it has been long enough now most of the rushed guns have been sorted out.
 

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I am always amazed when registered bolts sell for the same or more than a registered receiver. However, I also realize that for most shooters, they function the same. I have a registered FS receiver and have the .44 conversion and .22 conversion. But I don't like the feel of the Uzi in .45 so I shot it once or twice and now it sits in the cabinet. The .22 ran OK but I have more reliable .22s so again it collects dust. So basically my Uzi stays in 9mm and gets shot a fair amount. I recently got a heavy bolt from Troy but have not had time to play with it. I think the caliber changes and the option of a heavy bolt give more value to me in the registered receiver. But if all you want to do is shoot 9mm then a registered bolt may be just as valuable to you.

In the NFA world there are few buyers and few sellers. Every transaction is a negotiated price. As a result what I think it is worth only affects what I will pay. Other buyers may value differently. And yes there are idiots that don't know what they are buying and overpay.

In the video, although Ian mentioned the restrictor ring, he forgot to mention that some registered bolts are clearanced for the restrictor ring and some are not. It makes a difference if you think that you can just drop your registered bolt in any receiver only to find out you have to remove the restrictor ring.
 

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