Gauging interest in an adjustable bolt

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Working on a project that would allow the rate of fire to be adjusted. This would be for all the Mac and M11 platforms.

Question. Is there any interest in such a product? This would allow you to slow the rate of fire or speed it up to the desired rate without springs or tungsten. Planning to use this concept for the all the Uzi models also.
So how about is there enough interest in an adjustable bolt?
 

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I'm not really interested.

I'm more interested in expanding the capabilities such as the Tenko, Max15, etc than playing with the factory upper.
 

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That sounds cool but how would that work? Are you talking about a complete upper or a bolt that would go into a factory style upper that would reduce the rate of fire? Inquiring minds wish to know.

Scott
 

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Sure would.

Believe it or not the OEM upper in 45 with the two stage is still my favorite upper to blast with.

If it could be brought down to where singles could be pulled with practice it should still zip along.
 

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Certainly, I wish you luck with that. Here is the tough part, could you fund enough to make several hundred? I would think that based on my familiarity with the tungsten bolt, you wouldn't really need a patent to protect your intellectual property. Once the initial saturation of the market, maybe 5-600 M11 bolts, you would be looking at one or two bolts per month of sales.

As far as ROF, the M11/NINE works very well with the TASK conversion. The M11 an M10, not so much. The M11 and M10 have very limited space between the point where the bolt is on the sear and the back of the receiver. Even with a slow ROF, it will be hard to pull singles, unless there is something in your bolt design to address this issue. If the bolt is shortened, the ejector falls out.

It would seem to me that a drop in replacement bolt with a range of ROF between 600- 1,600 RPM, that could be adjusted at the range would have a market value of $1,500+. I get that $1,500 is double what the CF(W) bolts sold for, but the current market value of the bolts would prove otherwise. If you start slow at 10, 20, or even 50 bolts per month, someone else could copy the idea and flood the market. A patent is only as good as the lawyer you can hire to defend it.

Do you have an idea or a working prototype? Is the design ready to go into production? Do you have a ballpark of what your design will cost to produce and in what kind of quantity? Again, I sincerely wish you luck with the your idea. This is a small niche market.

Scott
 
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I am interested, even though my 45 is a semi auto and always will be. It is entirely possible that your idea will work or can be made to work to moderate the tremendous sudden forward and counteracting forces of the open bolt mechanism and make for greater accuracy. The semi auto numbers broaden the niche for your marketing effort significantly.
 

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This should work with most open bolt machine guns and yes there is a patten. We are starting with the MAC models because I have heard for years I want a tungsten bolt for the mac10.
This project is very young. So as the title states gauging interest. If there isn’t a demand for it why look for water in a dry well.
I think there is a market for this or obvious we wouldn’t be doing it.

We have some other projects that we want to do also. I haven’t posted to the thread in years. New parts for old guns. That is something we are trying to work on also.


Richard from Apex if you see this PM me I have tried PMing you but it will not work for some reason. I tried calling but you have a secretary that is hard to get past 😂.
 
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For sure do the homework. You will lose 25% of all those that express interest. What's good is the Mac market. Much more can be done accessory wise than with an Uzi. I think 100 pieces for a start if the demand is there then it will drop off fast. If you are using a production shop to manufacture they may be able to make many at realistic cost.
This is like the Uzi 22 kits the market is saturated with hundreds being sold over ten years now its almost non existent that's why I may never make them again.
The person to speak with would have been Tom aka Vegas. I would poke around and see if you can determine how many Tungsten bolts were sold. This would give you a start as to how many guys may buy your product.

Later Joe
 

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For sure do the homework. You will lose 25% of all those that express interest. What's good is the Mac market. Much more can be done accessory wise than with an Uzi. I think 100 pieces for a start if the demand is there then it will drop off fast. If you are using a production shop to manufacture they may be able to make many at realistic cost.
This is like the Uzi 22 kits the market is saturated with hundreds being sold over ten years now its almost non existent that's why I may never make them again.
The person to speak with would have been Tom aka Vegas. I would poke around and see if you can determine how many Tungsten bolts were sold. This would give you a start as to how many guys may buy your product.

Later Joe
A little heads up Joe, Tom passed away two years ago. The story of the CF(W) tungsten bolt has been documented here. I think that there is a fairly decent overview in the thread from Practical Solutions to resurrect the tungsten bolt for the m11 series.

Scott
 

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A little heads up Joe, Tom passed away two years ago. The story of the CF(W) tungsten bolt has been documented here. I think that there is a fairly decent overview in the thread from Practical Solutions to resurrect the tungsten bolt for the m11 series.

Scott
Scott
Yes I know Tom has passed thats why I phrased it would have been. I do miss our monthly chats we had good guy for sure.
Anyway keep at it with your projects guys
 

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Maybe. I’m interested in hearing more. It would depend on how it’s executed and of course the price.
 

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