Imi mini uzi value….it’s ready!

[Jtm35a2]

I have bought a few Uzis and there’s a Fleming sear mini uzi in the pile. I don’t think I want to keep it. The gun is exactly one serial number and the sear is exactly one serial number behind this one that sold in one day:

WTS: Transferable Fleming Mini Uzi SMG

I’m clearing a duplicate gun or two. This is a Transferable Fleming Registered Sear Mini Uzi. One of the Rarest models of Full auto Uzi's and one of the Hardest to find. The Fleming Mini Uzi's are considered to be one of the absolute best of the Full auto Mini's as they were built using an actual...

www.sturmgewehr.com

Mine has a barrel xchange heavy bolt (as well as the original bolt) plus a frontline leather shoulder holster.
Given that two years have passed since that sale, and the extras mine has , am I off in thinking $35,500 delivered is fair?

 

[StenAtopia]

Is the sear married to the host? Also read this.

UZI Talk - Full Auto Conversions

 

[Jtm35a2]

There’s no mention of the host on the form 4. It’s exactly like the listing i linked.
Both bolts have feet. So it appears to be one of the 10 or so that Fleming made before atf stopped that practice.

 

[RoverDave]

Is the sear married to the host? Also read this.

UZI Talk - Full Auto Conversions

Yes, on these Fleming registered sear guns, the sear is married to the bolt and receiver. That's why they are all marked.

 

[StenAtopia]

Yes, on these Fleming registered sear guns, the sear is married to the bolt and receiver. That's why they are all marked.

Such a weird way to convert it. Why not just register the receiver since the sear can’t be moved? Is this inferior to a regular RR mini then?

 

[StenAtopia]

I guess if it was not married it could be used in a micro, mini or FS in theory.

 

[Jtm35a2]

My understanding is the sears were registered before the guns were even imported. The import started after the hughes act. Fleming was then adding the sear to the newly imported gun. But in effect he was creating machine gun receivers by clearancing the trunnion for the full auto bolt feet. Atf frowned on this and forced him to stop.

 

[Jtm35a2]

Information on the form 4

 

[Jtm35a2]

I guess if it was not married it could be used in a micro, mini or FS in theory.

How the atf would know the difference, i don’t know ??
But even if you remove the sear from this host, its still interpreted as a mg (I believe)

 

[StenAtopia]

How the atf would know the difference, i don’t know ??
But even if you remove the sear from this host, its still interpreted as a mg (I believe)

So if the sear gets obliterated ( I know that will never happen) you will have a 30k paperweight! IMHO

 

[slimshady]

There was a limited time window from when Hughes was signed and it went into effect. SOT manufacturers were papering everything they could to have future inventory they could sell.

Some of the more known cases was a manufacturer drilled the sear hole on a pile of AR-15 receivers but didn't have time to machine them internally. ATF denied the registration because they weren't totally converted but also declared they were MGs because of the hole. The American 180 folks registered a bunch of receivers that didn't exist yet, and got caught using an unlicensed local machine shop to crank them out later. Some just had piles of Form 2s and nothing else they would build on as needed. IIRC, at least one was selling them to people who "found" an existing MG and used the form to register it.

Others registered "conversion parts", such as OEM sears. ATF wasn't nearly as particular back then and a few SOTs installed their conversion parts by modifying guns to FA spec, in effect creating a registered receiver conversion but using the sear as the registered part instead of the receiver as they should have. After a few years ATF caught on and stopped the practice, but allowing the already completed ones to remain as a married combo.

Specific to the mini, a FA bolt can be made without the "feet" but requires mag insertion on a closed bolt and may not be very reliable. Those do not require receiver mods and in that limited case the sear can be swapped between guns.

 

[amphibian]

My understanding is the sears were registered before the guns were even imported. The import started after the hughes act. Fleming was then adding the sear to the newly imported gun. But in effect he was creating machine gun receivers by clearancing the trunnion for the full auto bolt feet. Atf frowned on this and forced him to stop.

+1, read the Mini part of the conversion article: https://uzitalk.com/reference/pages/FAconversions_mini.htm
I wrote the original iteration of the conversion pages in the library.
I also spoke to Fleming on the phone about these after I got my Fleming Mini Sear gun. I love mine.
What I think is strange about the listing on Sturm is that it is a semi sear. I have a SMG sear. I also have a friend that has a Fleming Mini sear gun also which is 1 digit off from mine as well and his also a SMG sear.

 

[trilogymac]

I think they are an interesting part of history. Fleming did very few sear guns. I owned one in 2009, and it functioned as advertised. My issue with it, and why I sold it was that the trunnion relief was hacked up with a dremel. I couldn't stand to look at it when I opened it up, so I sold it. If I knew then what I know now, I would have sent it to Andrewski and had the trunnion cleaned up and kept it. The good thing with your sear gun is the ability to use the heavy bolt and to me that is huge. I know you can use the heavy bolt in a Vector but a Vector ain't an IMI. Never has been never will be.

You have the best of the best in the MINI uzi world. I'd think long and hard before selling. It won't be EZ to replace.

IMHO I'd say, with the heavy bolt, and if you are happy with 35.5k, you are in the money or very close.

Just checked my paperwork. Mine didn't show married either.

Hope this helps!!
Trilogymac

 

[amphibian]

he good thing with your sear gun is the ability to use the heavy bolt and to me that is huge. I know you can use the heavy bolt in a Vector but a Vector ain't an IMI. Never has been never will be.

+1, if you go back in the archives, many of us did all kinds of tinkering to get the cyclic rate down on the Mini's. Nothing worked as well as the BarrelXchange heavy bolt. Really transforms the gun. I've got the full size, Mini and had the Micro. Mini was and still is my favorite...but only with the BarrelXchange heavy bolt. If I didn't have that bolt, I probably would have sold my Mini some time ago.

Although I still have an IMI bolt that one of my good friends that passed away modified with an Elkonite slug to slow it down.

 

[Jtm35a2]

I just picked them up yesterday and they are virtually perfect. Also got a imi fleming RR full size. I think the full size is more my style. But I can definitely appreciate the size of the mini. You don’t realize how much smaller it is until you see them side by side. I tried to add pics but for some reason I never have luck adding pics here. The full size is obviously a conversion (serial starts with SA), but I don’t see any additional engraving on the gun and the form 4 shows imi as the manufacturer.

 

[Jack007]

My Fleming Mini is married to the host on all the forms. Until the recent crop of pre sample guns that flipped, these were as close as you could get to factory. I also had Andrewski work his magic on it. Couldn't be happier. Shout out to veteran UT member Trilogymac. Without his motivation and guidance it would never have happened.

 

[trilogymac]

My Fleming Mini is married to the host on all the forms. Until the recent crop of pre sample guns that flipped, these were as close as you could get to factory. I also had Andrewski work his magic on it. Couldn't be happier. Shout out to veteran UT member Trilogymac. Without his motivation and guidance it would never have happened.

I really enjoyed our interactions on your projects Jack. Alway a good time talking with you, swapping knowledge and stories!
Thanks for the kind words.

Bill

 

[delta-10]

One of our good customers bought one of those "flipped" dealer sample Mini-Uzi's. It has hit our efile account and is slowly moving our way via Registered mail. I still cant believe he got one and he stole it at that. He asked me my thoughts before buying it and I thought the deal was too good to be true but the seller provided the approved form 4 where he transferred it to himself. I look forward to seeing it. I'll let him borrow my Barrel Exchange bolt.

 

[Raymoto89]

One of our good customers bought one of those "flipped" dealer sample Mini-Uzi's. It has hit our efile account and is slowly moving our way via Registered mail. I still cant believe he got one and he stole it at that. He asked me my thoughts before buying it and I thought the deal was too good to be true but the seller provided the approved form 4 where he transferred it to himself. I look forward to seeing it. I'll let him borrow my Barrel Exchange bolt.

Was it the one that showed up on GB last week ?

 

[Raymoto89]

One of our good customers bought one of those "flipped" dealer sample Mini-Uzi's. It has hit our efile account and is slowly moving our way via Registered mail. I still cant believe he got one and he stole it at that. He asked me my thoughts before buying it and I thought the deal was too good to be true but the seller provided the approved form 4 where he transferred it to himself. I look forward to seeing it. I'll let him borrow my Barrel Exchange bolt.

There were two that had come up in the last couple months . Both selling between ~36-40k .