Is there anything worse than a thief?

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Saturday I actually paid money for the bottom one, which sales tag clearly indicated to be a "Mosin Nagant 1891/30". It was tough pulling the $125.00 out of my pocket, but somehow I came though and made the purchase.

A few miles away, earlier this year I found the top one, also tagged as: "Mosin Nagant 1891/30". Before that I didn't know you could buy a rifle for $99. :)

(In case you's guys don't know, these rifles are not Mosin Nagant 1891/30s. They are both Finnish 1891 Nagants, which command at least double, and even tripple the price of the common Russian 1891/30s.)
 

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Don't hate me, please. Even if I believe in "global warming" please don't hate!

I was sick bored so I figured I take a better picture of my $169 Tula, non-import marked, non refirbished SKS...

...that was made in 1941. :roflmao
 

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I hate you. I've been looking for a decent price on both a Finn and an SVT for quite a while now, with no success.
 

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Deadline222 said:
Don't hate me, please. Even if I believe in "global warming" please don't hate!

I was sick bored so I figured I take a better picture of my $169 Tula, non-import marked, non refirbished SKS...

...that was made in 1941. :roflmao

I think thats an svt not an sks
 

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Yes......um.....I...kinda know.

kinda...

I was insinuating that, on day of purchase, the Tokarev 1941 SVT price tag was marked as "SKS".

Hense the $169 price......
 

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Did there happen to be anymore, um, "SKS" rifles at this shop? (And by "SKS", I mean SVTs, VZ52s, KG43's, Hakim rifles, etc.) Does this shop have a website on the internets?
 

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No?

Like the majority of FFL locations in West Virginia, it is a pawn shop. He is located West of Beckley, WV and usually has about 20 guns or so in stock.

I would assume that you would simply not belive how many gun stores there are in WV. Where I live, in the Kanawha Valley there are around 30, within a 50 mile line. I pass 4 gun stores on my way to work, all of which are in a 15 mile area, or straight line.

On the weekends, if there is not, and sometimes when there is a gun show I make a day out of hitting all of the stores in a given region of the state. This past weekend I hit the "coal fields" which took me to the Southern tip of the state, into Kentucky and then in a triangle, to the western tip of the state, and back around east to home. When I go to an out of state gun show, I hit every store I see. No exceptions-

I found the Finn M91 at the very last store I hit, which is in Wayne, WV....in the middle of nowhere. I am telling you, this is a big damn store. He must have several thousand guns, and it's wierd cause he is 20 miles from a "major city", where you'd think the market is.

So, I can easily say that I can drive 300 miles, hit 20+ gun stores and then the flea markets, and bring back only one rifle; sometimes none at all...well most of the time, until lately; this has been the case.

Like I said in another post; I have been hitting this one store a block from my work, 2 times a week for 4 years and have found nothing, until this week.

At this time I would have to guess that I am the soul milsurp collector in WV. It's like things gravitate to me, and myself to them, likewise. A good example would be a gun show a few years back. I had purchased a K31, and as I was walking out I saw 2 rifles on a table...one was a Swiss Vetterli, and the other was a Schmidt Ruben 1896/11, both in excellect condition. They sat side by side for 2 days......I asked how much.....he said "how much you gimme for these here wall-hangers?" I said (sarcastically) "I'd give you 200 for both!" and he accepted with pleasure.......

That's an EASY $700 worth of guns for $200.....that no one but me wanted. Another example would be walking into a store filled with hunting rifles.....and one Pre-89 Armalite AR-180 on the wall, with a scope, priced at $950. The owner said someone offered $350 for the scope alone the previous day.....

.....so I once again, sarcastically offered $600 for the $1300+ gem of a rifle......(without the scope:silly)

...the owner grabbed a 4473, and I took it home.......QUICKLY.

This happens everywhere I go.

I believe it's because of the hunters here. They don't want "old inaccurate war rifles" and especially not "assault rifles".......unless that is, it's an SKS. Beat up Chinese ones can fetch $300+ around here.

When you walk into a store you will see 4 things:

Hunting rifles

Assault rifles

Complete milsurp rifles

Bubba'd milsurp rifles.......alot of them.

The funny thing is, the complete misurp rifles are AWAYS THE CHEAPEST, in any form, in alomst every shop. Case in point, my M91. At the same location I purchased it there were 2 other chopped up Mosin Nagant M91s. Both had cut stock, barrel and a scope mounted......yet...they were all at least $100 higher than the Finn!!!!!! (an everyday thing.)

I guess they feel that no one wants to take the time to bubba the gun, when they can get one already bubba'd. At another store I found a SMLE #4 for $160. Beside it were several chopped SMLES in the $200 price range.

No one, I mean no one around here wants an old, heavy military rifle. They have no collector's value around here; they are just in the way.

The only exception to that rule are US rifles...these people always know how much a US rifle is worth. You can find and 03' Springfield above book price, and right beside it a ultra-rare import for pennies on the dollar.

And then there are just plain stupid people. People like the SVT seller, the 2 finns and other mis-marked guns...and.........and!! the GEM MINT 1886 Lebel I ran into......

I was at the gun show a few miles away, and I had just stole a Vetterli and was talking to the dealer. I mentioned I was in the market for a Lebel...so the dealer points and says "right there is one." I walk up the the man walking around with the Lebel and ask "how much?" He says $200....

My heart stopped.....I was out of cash. He then said he'd take trade, so I asked him to follow me home where I tradded him an old, retail, typical shotgun and a cheap 30-30 I payed $100 for.

He had no need for the Lebel. All he wanted was a "deer rifle" for season.

Yes, he was stupid. But he was happy with his deer gun, and I was happy with my beautiful museum quality piece.

The great thing is.....is that everyone around here is like him, and it gets better around Christmas (Yummy!!!!) when all the desperate idiots start pawning in their grand daddy's "old war rifles" so they can buy their wives and kids cheap retail crap.

The best days to hunt for milsurp are days when football is on. Virtually no one leaves the house, so the goodies are left to me!

I know there are ALOT of veterans in this state, veterans with rifles. I dunno about Austin....it's kind.....um? "out there", so....that might be the problem.

Anyways.......you'll get your's someday bro- Until then....you'll know where I'll be!!!!!!! :)

ADDED* Last winter I watched a dealer con a veteran out of an all-matching, perfect G-43....for $600. There is even a story of a "kid" having his mom trade his dead grandpa's G-41 for a newly made Winchester model 1894 a few miles away!!!!!!! Ironically, a few days after hearing this, I watched a G-41 in southen Ohio, on Gunbroker, go for I believe it was $8,000+. :bang
 
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Deadline for as nice of as guy as you are you make it really easy for people to cheer on the bad karma you are going to inevitably run into to even up things...

My money is on a rogue steam roller running over your house when you are out at a gun show... flattening only those nice guns you have liberated from people at value prices :jester

I hope it doesn't happen but I can't think of anyone who has this much luck/skill/time to get the finds you do. Then again perhaps you were a shitty salesman in a past life and were robbed all day long by the people in town and this is how the universe is settling the score...
 

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Sorry that I can't contribute alot here gentlemen. Its tough competing with the testosterone here :) I do have some pics I can share with you of what I believe is a VZ52 but I'm not sure as I haven't had it looked at yet by someone who knows what they're looking at. I see someone mentioned the VZ52 here so I thought where better to get an idea of what this is.

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Yep, that's a VZ52. Is yours 7..62x45 or 7.62x39?

One way to recognize a VZ52: It looks like an SKS and an M1 carbine had an illegitimate child.

Wanna sell it? I've been looking for a decent one for some time now.
 

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Thank you for verifying what I have. I have someone coming to look at it to tell me things like if its 7.62x45 or 7.62 x 39. This pic isn't a good representation of this gun. This gun isn't in very good condition and it actually looks like its been through a war .. and that's no joke. Before your testosterone flows here, let me upload pics of it to a file share site so you can see the pits, etc. since they're huge pics. I'll PM you a link to download them.
 

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The magazine looks like it's a 7.62x45. The 7.62x39 mags have a slanted bottom, while the 7.62x45 mags have a flat bottom with a beveled edge (like yours). Of course, people have and sell their rifles with the incorrect mags all the time.

It's hard to find a vz-52 that isn't all beat to crap, so you probably have a fairly representative specimen. Looking forward to the pics, and welcome to Uzitalk!
 

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Thank you for the welcome. I just sent you a PM with the link to download the pics. Its a large file so its easier this way. If anyone else would like to take a gander at the pics, just post here and I'll post or send you the link. To give you an idea of how little I know about this gun, when I took the pics, I named them Unknown Gun. It took me awhile and some posting to get an idea of what it is. I did see one that was described as being in much better condition listed on another site (gunbroker.com). I'm hoping I'm allowed to mention other sites here :) And "beat to crap" hardly describes this gun in my opinion :)
 

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Foolish thread-hijackers! It was unwise of you to tread unwelcomed upon my holly thieving grounds!

Leave now or prepare to witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational milsurp collection!
 

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I have you beat. I walked into a local pawn shop and saw a M-1 Garand. I asked to look at it and saw right away it was a early Garand that had not go thru arsenal rebuild. I paid $650 for it. Took it home, looked it over and saw it was a Lend Lease Garand. I had it later appraised for $3000.
I love pawn shops
 
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