Lage .22 upper

[negpos]

I was thinking would it be awesome if Lage would
Build a .22 upper for an m11 not a kit. I think there
Is demand for it.

 

[KickStand]

Thankfully, Mak91 has developed this.
It should be coming to market. When, I don’t know.

I wish Lage would just sell his old kit again.

 

[strobro32]

I was wondering if a there's a possibility of a 22 upper with the Versa uppers? The ZMAG magazine module could use the Lage 22-40rd mags.

Maybe even a bottom feed, right eject 180 upper?

 

[SecondAmend]

First of all, remember why Lage discontinued the .22 uppers formerly produced. Nothing has changed.

That said, in addition to uppers that use the standard receiver magwells alone or with adapters, there are at least several alternatives that could be explored.
A chamber insert and bolt/recoil assembly for the MAX 5.56 series of uppers for use of AR-15 .22 or 22-15 magazines (I believe at least one prototype has been made).
A barrel insert and bolt/recoil assembly for the VERSA Glock mag series that uses Glock Advantage Arms .22 conversion mags (higher capacity than alternatives, I believe).
The Fleming MAC series .22 uppers that use Ruger 10/22 magazines (some fitting may be required) could be reintroduced.

MHO, YMMV, etc.

 

[skoda]

An upper that take American 180 drums is the ultimate 22LR solution. If you are going to bullet hose you need lots of bullets.

 

[SecondAmend]

An upper that take American 180 drums is the ultimate 22LR solution. If you are going to bullet hose you need lots of bullets.

The availability of a VERSA based .22 system for the relatively low cost and reliable AR and/or 15-22 50 round drum mags would probably render the potential market for an AM180 drum based upper too small to be economically worth pursuing by a manufacturer. Same for a dedicated belt fed .22 upper.

MHO, YMMV, etc.

 

[gorillastomp]

A belt fed 22 would be awesome

 

[skoda]

The availability of a VERSA based .22 system for the relatively low cost and reliable AR and/or 15-22 50 round drum mags would probably render the potential market for an AM180 drum based upper too small to be economically worth pursuing by a manufacturer. Same for a dedicated belt fed .22 upper.

MHO, YMMV, etc.

Dunno, 275 rounds is a lot more ammo than 30-50. I had a semiauto American 180 and it ran great after I polished the heck out of the feed block. Mags were never the problem but flipping your finger 275 times to empty one got old quickly.

 

[negpos]

If anyone can pull it would be Lage.

 

[SecondAmend]

Dunno, 275 rounds is a lot more ammo than 30-50. I had a semiauto American 180 and it ran great after I polished the heck out of the feed block. Mags were never the problem but flipping your finger 275 times to empty one got old quickly.

I just don't see the market being large enough for anyone that wants to make money to pursue. A & D had their AM180 drum adapter for several firearm families that included the M11/9, but eventually dropped out.

MHO, YMMV, etc.

 

[Garrett]

I just don't see the market being large enough for anyone that wants to make money to pursue. A & D had their AM180 drum adapter for several firearm families that included the M11/9, but eventually dropped out.

MHO, YMMV, etc.

The long feed tower on those made feeding somewhat difficult. This video is the best I have ever gotten the thing to run. Although I have since found some other ammo that runs better in the Uzi than the Fed bulk pack stuff used in this video. And the .22 conversion has since been tweaked by Richard Hoffman (RIP).

Ok, so I haven’t shot the drum setup in a while. I may need to take it out for a spin.

And yeah, the 4-year-old you hear in the video is now 18.

 

[KickStand]

I just don't see the market being large enough for anyone that wants to make money to pursue. A & D had their AM180 drum adapter for several firearm families that included the M11/9, but eventually dropped out.

MHO, YMMV, etc.

Mak91 is/was developing an awesome am180 upper, for the mac series. Maybe, he’ll chime in.

My BB adapter, works really well.
See below:

 

[mak91]

So a few comments on some of your posts.

When I originally asked Richard if he had any interest in my dedicated 22lr uppers for the macs he said he did not, that his prior experience with the 22lr kits he was producing was not what he had hoped and that he had other projects that he wanted to focus his time on.

My thoughts on his kits is that it was a good idea trying to just use a barrel insert but a bad idea in that the mac uppers are prone to slop and barrel alignment issues. On top of that people want to use the cheapest bulk ammo they can buy which gets you weak ammo, loose heads and lots of duds yet they will blame your parts. The small diameter round is also way more sensitive to mis alignments and tolerance issues than a 9mm or 45acp. To try to solve some of the alignment issues in my uppers I have a feed ramp that is snug on the barrel and bolt to the left half of the receiver. It keeps the barrel dead center of the receiver. You can't do that with a simple barrel insert. There is also a plan to have adjustable mag inserts where you can adjust the mag height up or down to help with feeding.

As for the am180 drum uppers. I've got an upper that runs about 80%. Its still not ready for prime time. I am still trying to keep the feed block a simple one piece design unlike the original. Feeding from the top down sucks, gravity is working against you. I also don't like the fact that you end up with 1 or 2 un fired rounds in the feed block after the drum spins out. I think my follower will stop that but I need to get a feed block that works 100% before I know for sure.


Sam is working on the dedicated 22lr upper for the small frame m11. He calls it a kit but it is a dedicated upper. I believe the long frame m11 will be next. When they will be available and how much I don't know.

 

[dnh]

At one point years ago, we had a member make an am 180 upper named Kermit that seemed to work very well, but it disappeared.

 

[SecondAmend]

At one point years ago, we had a member make an am 180 upper named Kermit that seemed to work very well, but it disappeared.

The Kermit discussed:
https://www.uzitalk.com/forums/index.php?threads/weird-looking-upper.68628/page-8
But as you said, apparently vanished.
MHO, YMMV, etc.

 

[skullsoldier]

I have one of Richard’s kits on my M11. If the guiderod is lubricated and you use CCI Standard, the system really hums (so long as you don’t get rimlock). Mine is generally reliable with a suppressor, as I think the increased pressure give the bolt a bit more inertia to eject and strip a new round. I’ll likely try Scott’s upper, as I have a small magwell M11a1 which, coincidentally, is set up with a Baby Ghost from Scott.

 

[strobro32]

I got into the M11/9 SMG because I always wanted a select fire 22LR pistol and Lage had his kit in the works. I think Lage's 22 kit was one of the best toys he made.

As infinitely frustrating it is to tune a 22LR SMG, I'm sure more more stuff will come to market.

It's only a matter of time before an M11/180 or M11A1/180 is made and sold. Probably when Richard's other product line slows down.

Don't forget that there is always room for a delayed blow back 9mm and 45 upper. I like the ease of the GP Stribog design.

 

[zapata]

Craig Wheatley had 8180 upper in the works and look like it was almost completed but then it vanished

 

[zapata]

The company was Tactical Innovations

 

[strobro32]

I think Lage's Max-11/15 and 11A1/15 uppers could easily be turned into hosts for the CMMG 22LR kits. They fit well with a spacer, drop in sear catch, and only a charging handle redesign would be needed. Maybe a shorter ejection port.

The Versa upper extrusions could also be a great for a AM/180 upper. Side eject of course.