LAGE MAX-57 5.7 x 28

[Gaffshot]

True. All full auto is fun so I'm not going to fault you on that, but that sailor thing you posted is horrible and hurting my eyes! yuck.

 

[No. 6]

Had an AR57. Operative work "had".

 

[b_saan]

You should probably change the title so people don't think this is actually a thing.

ETA: I had a fiveseven pistol back in the mid 2000s, only good thing about it was I sold it for more than I paid for it.

 

[A&S Conversions]

Gay is also a term that is used to mean “stupid” without connotation to sexual preference.

Gay or not gay is a common comedic theme.

That is the offensive part to me. Gay meaning attracted to the same sex and Gay meaning "stupid" implies that someone attracted to the same sex is "stupid". I think "hooray for me and my likes" is a good thing. "You are bad/wrong because you are different from me" is putting someone else down which I don't see as a good thing. No matter how cute or funny you state it, putting someone else down is never a good thing in my opinion.

Scott

 

[Gaffshot]

Another person offended by something on the internet. This PC talk should go to a different thread.

 

[supperman]

True. All full auto is fun so I'm not going to fault you on that, but that sailor thing you posted is horrible and hurting my eyes! yuck.

Yea...I had to get rid of that.

That is the offensive part to me. Gay meaning attracted to the same sex and Gay meaning "stupid" implies that someone attracted to the same sex is "stupid". I think "hooray for me and my likes" is a good thing. "You are bad/wrong because you are different from me" is putting someone else down which I don't see as a good thing. No matter how cute or funny you state it, putting someone else down is never a good thing in my opinion.

Scott

He/She/It meant to say GHEY! Which is not the same bisection you interpreted.

You should probably change the title so people don't think this is actually a thing.

ETA: I had a fiveseven pistol back in the mid 2000s, only good thing about it was I sold it for more than I paid for it.

It wont let me edit the title.

 

[ccosby]

.22 belt fed ar15 upper is what I would love to have. They make one for the ar15 https://lithocorex.com/rppr-22-cal-belt-fed-upper-receiver. If I can get a Tenko adapter for my m11/nine that will be the first upper I get.

Did they buy up the old lakeside tooling or something? Looks like they are not finished with that upper but for the price I want to pick one up as well(I have a m16 to run it on)

 

[Swampfoxoutdoors]

I’m in for a AM180 upper!

5.7 would just be too expensive.

 

[Ericoak]

I have no personal experience with this caliber but it's my understanding that the 5.7 cartridge is totally ineffective for anything other than armor penetration at short distances using the LE/Mil only AP ammunition (which we normal civilians are not allowed to have). Let's assume for this thread that we are talking only about the non-AP rounds. The JHP gives you a 23 gr bullet at about 2,300 fps at muzzle? That's what wiki says anyway. 22 mag is 30 grains at 2,300 fps. I'll take the 22 mag.

The 5.7 civilian round is literally about the worst self defense round available. This would give very poor terminal ballistics. Ice pick wounds. I don't think you would get any expansion, cavitation, or yawing in a wound channel. Ice pick.

Cost of ammo for 5.7 is $0.40 per round compared to 223 at $0.27. I see not benefit to this round at all. Hard pass for me also.

What are you basing that off of? Looks like it would work to me. And I bet it’s even faster out of a 12” barrel.

https://youtu.be/sMUEEnXw5pI

 

[Gaffshot]

1700 fps with a 40 grain bullet is ineffective by all terminal ballistic standards unless you are talking about shooting rodents or small critters. For human and medium sized game animals this would be ineffective compared to other available caliber options.

The caliber was designed for a rear echelon PDW with AP rounds to penetrate soviet armor at close range. It was intended as a step up from a handgun for support troops like the M1 carbine was in WW2.

For recreation it would be about as fun to shoot as a 22LR full auto but it would be done at much greater expense. Therefore, the caliber is pointless. Prove me wrong.

 

[Roaster72]

Did they buy up the old lakeside tooling or something? Looks like they are not finished with that upper but for the price I want to pick one up as well(I have a m16 to run it on)

You probably don't want one. I bought one of the first Lakeside Razorbacks (the new one is a clone) and although it is fun, loading is a drag. Even with Lakeside's loading tools, loading a belt of 50 takes about ten minutes. In full auto, like all other full auto 22s, it runs fast as heck. As I said, mine was one of the first 100 and I believe it was 595 for the upper and one belt. At 1350? Hell no.

Here is my review from a decade ago http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/showthread.php?49112-Lakeside-Razorback&highlight=

I for one am completely over my desire for a full auto 22. Despite the fact that I've tuned my Uzi conversion to near perfection, 22 in full auto is boring.

 

[Swampfoxoutdoors]

I for one am completely over my desire for a full auto 22. Despite the fact that I've tuned my Uzi conversion to near perfection, 22 in full auto is boring.

What made it boring?

I have never experienced FA rimfire and to me seems like it would be fun.

 

[Ericoak]

1700 fps with a 40 grain bullet is ineffective by all terminal ballistic standards unless you are talking about shooting rodents or small critters. For human and medium sized game animals this would be ineffective compared to other available caliber options.

The caliber was designed for a rear echelon PDW with AP rounds to penetrate soviet armor at close range. It was intended as a step up from a handgun for support troops like the M1 carbine was in WW2.

For recreation it would be about as fun to shoot as a 22LR full auto but it would be done at much greater expense. Therefore, the caliber is pointless. Prove me wrong.

Have you ever fired a P90? Super fun gun, which makes me think you never tried it.

The P90 is meant to hit someone in the chest with a 5round burst with a high cyclic rate. Are you claiming that a burst from a p90 wouldn’t be a lethal?

It is much more controllable than 5.56 rifle, smaller package, larger capacity. It’s basically the ultimate sub machine gun/PDW.

I’m guessing the secret service and special forces are buying Mp7s and p90s for reasons other than them being pointless...

EDIT: If you are talking about from a large gun like the Lage, I think you have more of a point.

 

[Roaster72]

What made it boring?

I have never experienced FA rimfire and to me seems like it would be fun.

Here's a quick list why full auto 22 sucks
1. It's dirty and your gun gets filthy and has to be cleaned every few hundred rounds
2. It's unreliable. I can shoot 9mm in my Uzi all day without cleaning and it will never fail. The BEST 22 conversion or gun will suffer a failure within 500 rounds. This is wholly attributable to the variance in 22 ammo both in its sizing and its powder load.
3. It's expensive regarding ammo. Although we think of 22 as cheap, the cheapest 22 ammo is the worst to run. Decent ammo like CCI Minimags are about 100 per 1000. Right now you can get 100 rounds of Tul 9mm for 140. I can typically reload 9mm for an amount somewhere in between those numbers so the cost savings for 22 is negligible.
4. It's expensive regarding guns. Arguably the best 22 transferable is the Norrell 10/22 conversion. They are currently around 20k. The second, the American 180, is around 15k. An Uzi 22 conversion is 675 and a M11/9 conversion is around $600 I believe. Of course with each of those you would need more magazines etc. That's a lot of money spent to save pennies on ammunition cost.
5. It's boring. Sure you will giggle a couple times after shooting a mag of 22 in full auto suppressed. After that, it will feel like a stupid pellet gun. Personally, I like a little recoil with my shooting.
6. It's too fast. All the 22 fullauto guns and conversions run fast. We are talking like 1,100 - 1,300 rpm fast. Even BWE's slowfire conversion for the Uzi only gets it down to like 975.

My recommendation is to don't be an idiot like me. Don't spend a bunch of money for 22 conversions that are unreliable and boring. Use those savings to buy more correct ammo for your gun and spend a little extra to get yourself full auto bb gun. I guarantee that BB gun will be just as fun and more reliable than a 22 conversion.

 

[Gaffshot]

Mil/LE use the AP rounds.
More controllable? Not by much from what I've seen. Already said that I haven't shot one but have seen them shot several times. Looks like way more recoil that would be expected.
If you like it then go for it. Hard pass for me. In terms of recreation I see no benefit over 22 or 9mm and lots of drawbacks.

 

[TheColtCollector]

Gay is also a term that is used to mean “stupid” without connotation to sexual preference.

Gay or not gay is a common comedic theme.

I hope your wife is attracted to bi women who like 3somes.

If my grandfather is bi-sexual does that make me a quarter-bi?

 

[BuffDragon]

I like shooting (and have had such good luck with lage's kit) that I built a second, fully dedicated upper around a lage kit.
it runs flawless and makes me smile every time I shoot it.
plus....its a great entrance to full auto for novice shooters, particularly my daughters.

 

[gorillastomp]

Not a Mac but.....

Who made this????? I can’t find it anywhere reveal the source please.

 

[TSPC]

Who made this????? I can’t find it anywhere reveal the source please.

SAIGATECH

http://216.92.217.113/saiga/page7.html

 

[Roklok]

I have to disagree with Roaster72 regarding full auto .22LR I like my dedicated CMMG .22 LR upper on my M16 so much that it is the upper that stays on it 90% of the time. It is FUN and reliable with bulk Federal ammo, 20 bucks or so for 525 rounds. The last time I had it out, I put several hundred rounds through it without a single malfunction. I don't have any experience with full auto .22 in a MAC, but it is an absolute blast in the M16. I use the Mcfadden lighting grip loader which makes loading mags painless, essential for enjoying full auto .22

https://i859.photobucket.com/albums...5547691_4466473719610474496_n_zpsgilt0j15.jpg