Mac 11

[Ingram Mac 10]

does anybody know where to get an origional (non R.P.B.) ingram mac 11 (m11a1)? they seem to be very rare and i can only find one for sale on the whole internet.

 

[LawBob]

http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/...sults_format=long&db_id=18768&query=retrieval

 

[LawBob]

I assume u meant a non swd m11/9

 

[Ingram Mac 10]

im actually looking for a military armament corporation m11a1, not cobray, s.w.d., RPB, ect.

 

[Vegas SMG]

Then you don't want a M11A1 which would be a late RPB build or any SWD .380acp gun which also carries the model of M11A1.

Keep looking. I'm sure you won't be disapointed in an original!

 

[LawBob]

Why

 

[Ingram Mac 10]

why? because it is THE origional mac 11. afterall, in the name mac10/mac11 the "mac" stands for Military armament corporation (M.A.C.) and vegas, i believe the M11A1 actually is an origional ingram. the RPBs were the exact same model gun, they bought the rights from M.A.C. and some parts from them, and iv never seen an SWD m11a1, is it the same kind of thing? or is it more like an m11/9?

 

[Ingram Mac 10]

heres what wikipedia says... The Ingram MAC-11 (Military Armament Corporation Model 11) is a machine pistol developed by American gun designer Gordon Ingram at the Military Armament Corporation (MAC) during the 1970s. The weapon is a sub-compact version of the Model 10 (MAC-10), and is chambered to fire the smaller .380 ACP round.

This weapon is sometimes confused with the Sylvia & Wayne Daniels M-11/9 or the Vulcan M-11-9, both of which are later variants of the MAC chambered for 9 mm Luger Parabellum cartridge.[1]

 

[strobro32]

Cool choice.

This always helps me keep it straight.
http://www.firearmsid.com/Feature Articles/012001/Mac10History.htm

 

[Ingram Mac 10]

cool! iv never heard of the british one. theres also semi auto texas macs that werent mentioned on there though. and the m10 avenger smg, which iv only ever seen one of.

 

[Vegas SMG]

This always helps me keep it straight.
http://www.firearmsid.com/Feature Articles/012001/Mac10History.htm

That's a very handy reference but it doesn't list the RPB M11A1 which were built late in RPB's history. When RPB bought the MAC receivers at auction, they built the .380 MAC-11 (and over stamped them with their information along with the MAC-10s), until they ran out of ready to build frames. At that point, they renamed the small frame guns M11A1s, a model designation SWD also used.

Also note that "Cobray" never built a gun. It's a registered trademark found on many MACs regardless of manufacturer but none were ever papered as Cobrays. The Stephensville MACs are an exception due to Wayne Daniels suing to force James Leatherwood to remove the trade mark name and pregnant serpent logo from the RPB frames he purchased from the bankruptcy auction. Daniels re stamped the logo back into the milled out circles on the Texas MACs when he purchased them from Leatherwood.

I can hardly wait for the definitive MAC book to be released!

 

[Ingram Mac 10]

yes the more i look into it i believe your right, i dont know why i thought an M11A1 was a M.A.C. BTW What is the definitive mac book??? sounds exciting.

 

[GrimmLV]

BTW What is the definitive mac book???

Well, this one is 24-carat gold!

P.S. I use this http://www.mac-11.net/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC-11 for most of my info. Well that, and VegasSMG's seemingly photographic memory...

 

[MgA_ODEN]

Mac 11

Mac 11?

 

[Vegas SMG]

The book due out any time by UT member Ferndog1. (aka Frank Iannamico)

http://www.machinegunbooks.com/

COMING SUMMER OF 2011! The Mac Man Gordon B. Ingram

Over 530 pages, 776 photos, and illustrations 18 Chapters. There is a lot more to the Gordon Ingram story than his MAC-10 submachine gun. This book was put together using Gordon Ingram's personal memoires and notes, along with documents and vintage photos from the companies involved in manufacturing his basic designs, that date from 1964 to the present.

A FEW of the topics covered in the book - Early Ingram Designs - The Police Ordnance Company - Ingram Models 5 through 9 - The Weapons Factory Franchise Program - Standard Cartridge Company - The Erquiaga Arms Company - Erquiaga-Ingram Assault Rifle - The Ingram Military Rifle - Mitchell L. WerBell III - Sionics Incorporated - The Military Armament Corporation - The Quantum Corporation - Defense Systems Incorporated - Overseas Business - The MAC Auction - RPB Industries Incorporated - The Second RPB Industries - MAC/RPB Double-Stamp Submachine Guns - SWD Incorporated - Texas MAC - New Jersey MAC - Ingram Westarm Rifle Series - Security Ordnance Corporation - Ingram Ranchero Rifle - Ingram Durango Rifle - Other Ingram Concepts and Designs - Ingram Cobra Mark I and Mark II - Aftermarket Parts and Accessories - Masterpiece Arms - MAC Technical

 

[montrose981]

does anybody know where to get an origional (non R.P.B.) ingram mac 11 (m11a1)? they seem to be very rare and i can only find one for sale on the whole internet.

so what are you trying to find? a mac 11 full auto?????

 

[MAC907]

Sam at Practical Solutions has one for sale new in the box, but it'll cost you.

http://practicalpage.com/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=61

I've also seen them on www.subguns.com, www.nfasales.com, and on www.sturmgewehr.com from time to time.

 

[Shattered]

That's not too bad a price for the smaller 380.

Considering a couple decades ago they were going for $450 and the M11/9s were going for $300. Twenty years later just add a zero to the end of the price and it's actually ballpark. ($4500/3000)

 

[ftldrben]

It's not the cost of the weapon, it's the availability and cost of mags.

I've seen some crazy prices on M11A1 mags.

 

[Shattered]

It's not the cost of the weapon, it's the availability and cost of mags.

I've seen some crazy prices on M11A1 mags.

They're out there... you want something unique, ya shuts up and pays the price... or go with a not so unique RPB (same mag), or the cheaper SWD model which uses the Zytels and be done with it.