Max-11/15 22LR kit

[strobro32]

What are the odds of a 22LR kit in the near future? A DOLOS quick change 4.5" barrel and S&W 15-22 mags would be nice.

Lage lists are good.

 

[vertex]

What are the odds of a 22LR kit in the near future? A DOLOS quick change 4.5" barrel and S&W 15-22 mags would be nice.

Lage lists are good.

You caught my attention with this! I already have the dolos installed!

 

[strobro32]

A Max-11A1/15 22LR kit would be the coolest.

 

[skoda]

I'm saving up for the water cooled, belt fed, tripod mounted Max-11A1/50BMG upper.

 

[vertex]

Technically speaking the challenge is the BCG correct? Everything else should work.

 

[gotgraham]

Technically speaking the challenge is the BCG correct? Everything else should work.

Correct - it would be similar to a Ceiner conversion, but fixed firing pin and open bolt. It would also need to not function in an AR-15 AND technically couldn't work without an attached FA lower.

 

[mak91]

I think its totally do able. I started on a prototype 5 months ago but haven't had time for a few months now to get back to it. Got everything but the time right now to finish it. If Richard doesn't come up with one I will.

 

[Gaujo]

Why peeps, why?

I propose 45acp!

 

[LawBob]

Correct - it would be similar to a Ceiner conversion, but fixed firing pin and open bolt. It would also need to not function in an AR-15 AND technically couldn't work without an attached FA lower.

It’s not that easy.
The ceiner kit is self contained within the ar15 bolt carrier space. How would the m11 sear release it?

 

[gotgraham]

It’s not that easy.
The ceiner kit is self contained within the ar15 bolt carrier space. How would the m11 sear release it?

To quote myself...."similar to a Ceiner conversion, but fixed firing pin and open bolt." It would require the sear catch too (open bolt)

 

[LawBob]

To quote myself...."similar to a Ceiner conversion, but fixed firing pin and open bolt." It would require the sear catch too (open bolt)

Have you ever held a ceiner kit and seen how it works...it’s a bolt assembly within a bolt carrier shell. The 22 bolt operates within the shell, without the “ar15” bolt shell moving.

Normally, The ar15 bolt carrier is what engages the Mac sear (somehow) to operate. The bolt carrier is held by the sear until it’s releasdd by the sear, drives forward picking up a cartridge loading and firing the cartridge.

With a ceiner kit, the bolt carrier (the shell) doesn’t move at all. Just the internal 22 bolt assembly.

I’m not saying Lage couldn’t make a new bolt assembly that would fire 22LR, but I don’t think it’s a modified ceiner kit.

 

[LawBob]

A Max-11A1/15 22LR kit would be the coolest.

I think I was habitually ridiculed for suggesting this way back at the beginning of the max-11/15 threads. I think they would always say “he already makes a 22 kit “ (yes I know you’re talking about a1 now). Not saying you did this just making a comment.

 

[gotgraham]

Have you ever held a ceiner kit and seen how it works...it’s a bolt assembly within a bolt carrier shell. The 22 bolt operates within the shell, without the “ar15” bolt shell moving. With a ceiner kit, the bolt carrier (the shell) doesn’t move at all. Just the internal 22 bolt assembly.

Right, since the bolt is moving, it would be the bolt that engages the sear. All I was getting at is it would require a low mass bolt with baby spring (like the ceiner). And like the ceiner the bolt would likely ride in some sort of fixed carrier inserted into the upper. The baby bolt would engage the sear. It wouldn't exactly be a ceiner - I only used it for illustration. There's of course a million ways to slice this problem, this was my take on it. Carry on...

 

[LawBob]

Right, since the bolt is moving, it would be the bolt that engages the sear. All I was getting at is it would require a low mass bolt with baby spring (like the ceiner). And like the ceiner the bolt would likely ride in some sort of fixed carrier inserted into the upper. The baby bolt would engage the sear. It wouldn't exactly be a ceiner - I only used it for illustration. There's of course a million ways to slice this problem, this was my take on it. Carry on...

Ok. GOtacha. Re read. Earlier commentary suggested just a ceiner bolt and I mistook your comments.

 

[strobro32]

I think the open bolt would be more reliable as the major problem for the FA Ceiner system is bolt bounce.

 

[strobro32]

Wouldn't it be cool if Lage came up with a more durable barrel swap system for the MKII?

The few guys who own AR15/M16s would go nuts.

 

[IndustrialRescue]

WHY?

 

[lokifox]

WHY?

Because straight 22LR mags are horrible...

I will say it for the 100th time, if someone made a 10/22 type upper that took the quick change barrels they would sell the heck out of them.

 

[MyFirstMachineGun]

but then you would be stuck with a longer overall length than the lage conversion, plus I don't see much use in having multiple .22 barrel lengths on a full auto.

 

[lokifox]

but then you would be stuck with a longer overall length than the lage conversion, plus I don't see much use in having multiple .22 barrel lengths on a full auto.

I don’t care about barrel length, it’s for ease of cleaning!