Medea M3A1 Grease Gun Transfer and Build Gone Bad

[jolague]

This is an e-mail I received from the ATF Phoenix filed division. What a paradox! Is it legal to complete a Medea Grease Gun (registered sheet metal) post 1986? Or does it become a post sample defacto? Thanks, brothers.




James,



I spoke to ATF’s Fire Technology Group in regards to what you are asking --- to do to your NFA grease gun, currently pending a Form 4 transfer to you. Since the changes you are requesting, require modifications to the receiver beyond welding, they will not allow --- to perform those changes without a request from you submitted to ATF’s Fire Technology Group. The request may be sent to fire_tech@atf.gov. You need to be very specific about what the firearm is, what state it is in, and what you are wanting done as part of the assembly. Tech will evaluate the request and approve or disapprove it.



You may also simply take possession of the firearm in its current state. Be aware that should you go elsewhere for the changes and they have not been approved, it may result in your possessing an unregistered machine gun.



Thanks.

 

[pjm204]

How could it be an unregistered machine gun if it's already a registered machine gun. Why did anyone even consult the ATF regarding this?

 

[Mackjack]

What are you trying to do? Something more than a regular grease gun?

 

[jolague]

What are you trying to do? Something more than a regular grease gun?

No, I'm trying to make if a fucking Grease Gun, not an MG42. The 07/02 appropriated it and said it is contraband. Now Chucky Spano (Medea) is getting involved with ATF over this bitch.

 

[Mackjack]

Wow. I feel for ya. I sure hope it works out. The ATF is really starting to get stupid these days...

 

[jolague]

Wow. I feel for ya. I sure hope it works out. The ATF is really starting to get stupid these days...

Well, they did it to me...then who else?

 

[Villafuego]

Who is the 07/02 who "appropriated" your MG ????

 

[jolague]

Who is the 07/02 who "appropriated" your MG ????

I'm going to leave them anonymous until this paradox gets solved. Wish me luck. FUCK.

 

[root]

So you bought a MG that is now not a MG since it needs bent & welded?

Is this the case? if so you are indeed the 1st person I have read about that was unable to finish a registered flat.

The old adage " Once a MG always a MG" should be used against them here.

I see you are in AZ.

I once sold a parts kit to a private person in that sate with a GI 80% receiver the dealer who was a SOT called the BATFE on me the seller, & the buyer and refused to turn over the kit or do the 4473 till the BATFE looked at it.
BATFE told him it's just parts let it go do the transfer.
It was the last time I ever sent a kit with any type of flat, receiver or anything that could even be though of as a receiver in the same box.
My stance now id registered parts go to the dealer parts go to your home cost double shipping but I don't have some IncreadiblyTalentedIndividual calling the BATFE when I ship.

If it's the same dealer ( sounds like it is) I see he is up to his same save the world busy body shit.

Gun owners are their own worst enemy most of the time.

Hope you get this resolved.

 

[b_saan]

Why did anyone even consult the ATF regarding this?

Bingo, no good ever comes with writing the ATF a letter...

Assuming you bought one of Chuck's last split shells?

 

[pjm204]

Bingo, no good ever comes with writing the ATF a letter...

Assuming you bought one of Chuck's last split shells?

I've had a handful of pleasant/useful conversations with the ATF but in this case it seems completely unnecessary to contact them.

 

[hkg3k]

I once sold a parts kit to a private person in that sate with a GI 80% receiver the dealer who was a SOT called the BATFE on me the seller, & the buyer and refused to turn over the kit or do the 4473 till the BATFE looked at it.

Maybe I'm missing something, but what's in a parts kit and 80% receiver that requires a 4473? Could you have not shipped directly to the buyer?

Also curious as to the identity of this 07/02 chucklehead in AZ? They need to be outed so that no other well meaning gun owner "falls into his rabbit hole."

jolague...I sympathize greatly with your situation and hope you get this resolved quickly. No much help now, but had you sought advise here on the front end regarding the best SOT to finish your GG...I'm certain you'd have been directed elsewhere.

 

[root]

Hkg3k those gi shells were numbered and regestered as a receiver so a transfer needs done on one.

My mistake was putting the weldment semi pieces and a parts kit less barrel in and sending it all one package.
Guy claimed it was a ilegal mg.

That was a time i was glad the batfe new what they were doing.

Hopefully they get this gg straightened out since there are still a lot of flats and others things not built.
Last thing the NFA community needs is being told flats & unbuilt tubes can not be finished.

 

[hkg3k]

Hkg3k those gi shells were numbered and regestered as a receiver so a transfer needs done on one.

Gotcha. In that case...the receiver is technically / legally a firearm and not 80%?

 

[Tinman45]

Wasn’t aware there were registered, unfinished, GGs on the market. What do they go for?

 

[jolague]

Please lock this thread. The journey is now with Chuck Spano and I. This is now page of history. Pray for me.

Isaac Hecker forever.

James,

 

[arch stanton]

no reason for a lock on this thread

 

[jolague]

no reason for a lock on this thread

Fair enough! Let it ride.

 

[fortyfive1911a1]

I’m confused, if you bought a pre-86 registered machinegun, why contact the ATF and ask permission to finish building it? You would already have the paperwork stating that it is a legal registered machinegun......

 

[b_saan]

I’m confused, if you bought a pre-86 registered machinegun, why contact the ATF and ask permission to finish building it? You would already have the paperwork stating that it is a legal registered machinegun......

The way I read it, he bought and transferred the unfinished but registered and fully transferrable Medea GG shell and after the F4 was approved he received the shell and took it to a gunsmith to finish building it with a parts kit. The GS took it upon himself to contact the ATF and prod them with likely half-assed information which caused them to declare it a post-sample MG if it was finished. Now it's gotten more confusing though with him stating it's only between him and Spano so I'm wondering if the shell was actually properly registered in the 1st place.