Now I've got a few MGs out of the way, I'll be looking to add an MP-5. I was wondering which sear do you freaks like, I think I want a Fleming but are there really any differences in the major three.
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My personal preference in a HK registered sear is the Fleming or Qualified. These 2 sears are identical and were made on the same machinery.....punch-press formed and hell for strong.
I personally value S&H sears less as they're cast. I've noted there's been instances in the past where S&H sears have required repair....typically from a break in one of the lower legs where the casting is thinner.
I don't think the market really cares....the Fleming/Qualified and S&H sears seem to be priced pretty close. There are more Fleming/Quailified sears out there so they have availability on their side as well.
HTH
I personally value S&H sears less as they're cast. I've noted there's been instances in the past where S&H sears have required repair....typically from a break in one of the lower legs where the casting is thinner.
I don't think the market really cares....the Fleming/Qualified and S&H sears seem to be priced pretty close. There are more Fleming/Quailified sears out there so they have availability on their side as well.
HTH
maschinenpistole
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I have a Qualified sear. They are the closest thing to a factory HK friction sear. I really don't care much for the cast S&H sears.
Have you actually seen an S&H sear break? I asked Curtis Higgins about this not too long ago and he just laughed. They were cast from tool steel. The sear is subjected to very little strain. I just can't see one breaking. I could be wrong though.
No. But when you're in this game long enough, you hear a lot and learn a lot from other's experiences.
This archived post on Subguns is from some time ago, but apparently this BCR had his S&H sear break and sent it off to Murray Urbach. Urbach told this owner he had fixed 4 or 5 S&H sears previously.
http://www.subguns.com/boards/mgmsgarchive.cgi?read=620593
http://www.subguns.com/boards/mgmsgarchive.cgi?read=620680
Understand, but regardless of the material, castings are subject to any number of defects like voids / porosity if not done correctly. All the HK sears were produced in a short period of time to beat the May 19th, 1986 deadline.
Very true. However, with the confines of the trigger box and the bushing/elbow spring sitting between the lower "legs"....those legs are pretty thin for a casting.
I've also read of a leg breakage where the owner was trying to install his S&H sear and in forcing the pin....the owner wound up breaking one of the legs. I don't have a link for that post just now....I'll try to find it.
As I said, the market doesn't seem to show a huge difference in either type.....my personal preference is for the Fleming/Qualified sears based on what I've read and heard over the years.
I'm not doubting that a sear or two has broken of any manufacture, but how it broke is the other half of the story you never hear. You also have heard of guys welding on Sears to get them to work in burst packs. I still have yet to see a picture of one that was broke or a discription of in what circumstance it broke. It reminds me a lot of the argument not to buy a RIA m60 because the trunions are cast. A lot of parts in the gun world are cast. Engine blocks are cast along with many other things that are subject to much harsher conditions than a sear.
You also need to understand at the time of the post on subguns, S&H was the only HK sear manufacturer to still be in the HK gunsmith business, making it a convenient for Urbach to make this statement. I may be wrong but I just don't buy it.
Last year while at Knobcreek I had a well known dealer who was trying to sell a MP5k with a Flemming sear tell me his gun was a better deal than another dealers which had a Qualified sear. His sales pitch was that Qualified didn't heat treat their Sears making them least desirable of the three sears. I'm sure if the other dealer had one with a S&H sear I would have heard about how they break all the time because they were cast. It's all a sales pitch for me until somebody generates hard evidence.
You also need to understand at the time of the post on subguns, S&H was the only HK sear manufacturer to still be in the HK gunsmith business, making it a convenient for Urbach to make this statement. I may be wrong but I just don't buy it.
Last year while at Knobcreek I had a well known dealer who was trying to sell a MP5k with a Flemming sear tell me his gun was a better deal than another dealers which had a Qualified sear. His sales pitch was that Qualified didn't heat treat their Sears making them least desirable of the three sears. I'm sure if the other dealer had one with a S&H sear I would have heard about how they break all the time because they were cast. It's all a sales pitch for me until somebody generates hard evidence.
No one says you have to. I posted of a situation I recalled that I could quickly document. You don't believe it? That's perfectly fine with me. Colt614 requested opinions and I gave mine......which is a sear punched and formed from cold rolled steel is stronger and the better way to go over a cast sear for the reasons I mentioned, particularly when you're talking about the type of money these small pieces of metal sell for.
You obviously have a different opinion and I truly appreciate that......the world would be pretty boring if we all thought the same way / held the same opinions.
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