My 9MM slowfire project

[IndustrialRescue]

Scott, I got your email on the 17th and replied. A lot has happened in the last few days and I have been very busy with a lot of other things so I haven’t had a chance to gather all of my thoughts and update the status.

I have been contacted by another party with interest to see if this technology can be used in other weapons platforms that are in use by themselves. After some discussion with the party and later discussion with reps from the tungsten company it was suggested that weapons bolts could possibly be made entirely of a new tungsten-steel alloy. The problem in the past was weight. For example an M11/9 bolt made with the 95% tungsten alloy would weigh 35 ounces. That's a little too heavy to cycle. I decided to cancel the bolt weight order and go with the new bolts made of this alloy. The characteristics will be that of tool steel. Extremely durable R34 on the Rockwell hardness scale. I have authorized the bolts to be reverse engineered and drawings to be made up for prototype samples to test for the M11/9 and M11/380. The .45 M-10 is about three months away. I expect the bolts to test in about a month and after tweaking and production starting in about 6-7 weeks.

The future of the Mac platform is destined to be the slowest most controllable and accurate compact platform ever, and the pioneer for other weapons platforms.

The technology can also be incorporated into semi auto platforms to reduce recoil.

The future is tungsten.

______________Mike

I'm intrigued!

 

[tlrgsxr]

Great!! How do I get on the list for an all tungsten .380 bolt? For that matter a .380 size 9mm bolt?

 

[Mac11FA]

Mike - So this means no bolt by the 20th? Any way you can loan me one? We have a M&G for that one day so I will be happy to pay postage for you to send to me and I will get it back in the mail the next day. Also, how is this going to affect the cost of the bolt if manufactured from Tungsten-Alloy? I am excited about the new developments and glad to see that this is progressing for you in ways you never imagined! Thanks for the update!

Scott

 

[bigmacster]

Mike - So this means no bolt by the 20th? Any way you can loan me one? We have a M&G for that one day so I will be happy to pay postage for you to send to me and I will get it back in the mail the next day. Also, how is this going to affect the cost of the bolt if manufactured from Tungsten-Alloy? I am excited about the new developments and glad to see that this is progressing for you in ways you never imagined! Thanks for the update!

Scott

Seriously dude, I know you have been away from the forum for a while and are just catching up, but some of the people on the list who haven't gotten a bolt yet have been waiting 3 months for their bolt. It's worth the wait. What is an M&G? Match and gun show?

Scott, I got your email on the 17th and replied. A lot has happened in the last few days and I have been very busy with a lot of other things so I haven’t had a chance to gather all of my thoughts and update the status.

I have been contacted by another party with interest to see if this technology can be used in other weapons platforms that are in use by themselves. After some discussion with the party and later discussion with reps from the tungsten company it was suggested that weapons bolts could possibly be made entirely of a new tungsten-steel alloy. The problem in the past was weight. For example an M11/9 bolt made with the 95% tungsten alloy would weigh 35 ounces. That's a little too heavy to cycle. I decided to cancel the bolt weight order and go with the new bolts made of this alloy. The characteristics will be that of tool steel. Extremely durable R34 on the Rockwell hardness scale. I have authorized the bolts to be reverse engineered and drawings to be made up for prototype samples to test for the M11/9 and M11/380. The .45 M-10 is about three months away. I expect the bolts to test in about a month and after tweaking and production starting in about 6-7 weeks.

The future of the Mac platform is destined to be the slowest most controllable and accurate compact platform ever, and the pioneer for other weapons platforms.

The technology can also be incorporated into semi auto platforms to reduce recoil.

The future is tungsten.

______________Mike

Sweet! What do you think the price will be for the new all tungsten alloy bolts? Any advantage to upgrading over the current generation?

 

[fishtix]

Mike - So this means no bolt by the 20th? Any way you can loan me one? We have a M&G for that one day so I will be happy to pay postage for you to send to me and I will get it back in the mail the next day. Also, how is this going to affect the cost of the bolt if manufactured from Tungsten-Alloy? I am excited about the new developments and glad to see that this is progressing for you in ways you never imagined! Thanks for the update!

Scott

"Back of the line!!!"

 

[Sid T.]

Mike - So this means no bolt by the 20th? Any way you can loan me one? We have a M&G for that one day so I will be happy to pay postage for you to send to me and I will get it back in the mail the next day. Also, how is this going to affect the cost of the bolt if manufactured from Tungsten-Alloy? I am excited about the new developments and glad to see that this is progressing for you in ways you never imagined! Thanks for the update!

Scott

Hi Scott,

I own two M11 CFW bolts, one is the prototype and the other is of current construction.

I'm prepared to loan you the current one for a couple of weeks if that will help, please PM me if you're interested.

 

[JohnFreeman]

 

[CoffeeFreak]

Any way you can loan me one? We have a M&G for that one day so I will be happy to pay postage for you to send to me and I will get it back in the mail the next day. Also, how is this going to affect the cost of the bolt if manufactured from Tungsten-Alloy? I am excited about the new developments and glad to see that this is progressing for you in ways you never imagined! Thanks for the update!

Scott

Glad Sid T is helping you out.

Sweet! What do you think the price will be for the new all tungsten alloy bolts? Any advantage to upgrading over the current generation?

I am trying to keep the cost the same. I'll have a better idea next week. Yes, I expect much better performance, further reduced ROF. Sub 600. If my M11/9 bolt weight calculations are correct the bolt will be 3/4 of an inch shorter giving it a lot more stroke. As it is right now it's a quarter inch longer then the OEM bolt. The 380 bolt will be a quarter inch shorter then the 380 OEM bolt.

 

[komodoj]

And......... The M10/45 bolt will be........?

Glad Sid T is helping you out.




I am trying to keep the cost the same. I'll have a better idea next week. Yes, I expect a better performance, further reduced ROF. Sub 600. If my M11/9 bolt weight calculations are correct the bolt will be 3/4 of an inch shorter giving it a lot more stroke. As it is right now it's a quarter inch longer then the OEM bolt. The 380 bolt will be a quarter inch shorter then the 380 OEM bolt.

 

[CoffeeFreak]

And......... The M10/45 bolt will be........?

If the entire 45 bolt was made with the alloy it would be 68 ounces by my calculations. So 20 ounces would be removed from the back shortening the bolt. Because I don't have an M10 I have to work on the length yet but yes. Increased stroke big time. The cocking knob slot may have to be lengthened in the upper top.

 

[komodoj]

Thank you the quick reply as always!!! Keep on keeping on. Ty))

If the entire 45 bolt was made with the alloy it would be 68 ounces by my calculations. So 20 ounces would be removed from the back shortening the bolt. Because I don't have an M10 I have to work on the length yet but yes. Increased stroke big time. The cocking knob slot may have to be lengthened in the upper top.

 

[bigmacster]

I am trying to keep the cost the same. I'll have a better idea next week. Yes, I expect much better performance, further reduced ROF. Sub 600. If my M11/9 bolt weight calculations are correct the bolt will be 3/4 of an inch shorter giving it a lot more stroke. As it is right now it's a quarter inch longer then the OEM bolt. The 380 bolt will be a quarter inch shorter then the 380 OEM bolt.

Impressive! I feel like I just bought an Iphone. No, just kidding. I may have to pony up.

 

[dgleavitt]

If you shorten the back of bolt length, will that allow the charging handle to come back further and beat up the cocking knob channel and maybe even allow the knob to come out? If you are using a side cocker it's not an issue but I like the top cocker on my m10/45.

 

[CoffeeFreak]

It doesn’t seem to be an issue with the M11/9 but thanks for mentioning that. I think I have a solution for the M10 after reading your post and thinking about it. I'll have to consider that in the M10 prototype.

 

[negpos]

Coffee Freak bolt experience .

Today I was able to test my new Coffee Freak bolt. The following was my experience .I was only able to shoot 400 rounds thru it because of being limited in time. The bolt ran perfectly. I used the bolt on the following uppers a Masterpiece Arms (side cocker 6”), USMACHIINE (side cocker) and a factory upper (swd m11). There were no hiccups the bolt ran freakin amazing .The rate of fire is awesome. The gun is very controllable and I was able to get good groups. The biggest thing for me was being able to pull singles out the factory length upper. I watched videos of coffee freak shooting it however it’s not the same experiencing it for one’s self. During the testing I rotated the following mags the factory Zytel, Recon Ordnance converted Argentine pam-2 magazines, and Shockwave magazine. I tried four different types of ammo FIOCCHI 9MM 115 grain , PMC BRONZE 115 grain, WINCHESTER 115 grain, MAG TECH 115 grain. I used equal amounts of each .I couldn't get the bolt to fail. When I was doing the testing a crowd gathered since it’s not popular for people to shoot full auto in this area. One guy said he owned a swd m11 and commented that he could not tell the difference between the rate of fire from original bolt and the one being tested. So I let one mag rip with the coffee freak bolt and one rip with factory bolt and let me tell you everyone freaked out, including me. I had not shot the factory bolt in forever. All I can say after my experience today is AWESOME AWESOME and AWESOME
:wiggle

Top upper: Masterpiece Arms (side cocker 6”)
Middle upper: USMACHIINE (side cocker)
Lower upper: Factory Upper SWD M11
Bottom: Coffee Freak bolt

 

[rybread]

After some discussion with the party and later discussion with reps from the tungsten company it was suggested that weapons bolts could possibly be made entirely of a new tungsten-steel alloy.

Um someone suggested that a while back...

 

[bigmacster]

Today I was able to test my new Coffee Freak bolt. The following was my experience .I was only able to shoot 400 rounds thru it because of being limited in time. The bolt ran perfectly. I used the bolt on the following uppers a Masterpiece Arms (side cocker 6”), USMACHIINE (side cocker) and a factory upper (swd m11). There were no hiccups the bolt ran freakin amazing .The rate of fire is awesome. The gun is very controllable and I was able to get good groups. The biggest thing for me was being able to pull singles out the factory length upper. I watched videos of coffee freak shooting it however it’s not the same experiencing it for one’s self. During the testing I rotated the following mags the factory Zytel, Recon Ordnance converted Argentine pam-2 magazines, and Shockwave magazine. I tried four different types of ammo FIOCCHI 9MM 115 grain , PMC BRONZE 115 grain, WINCHESTER 115 grain, MAG TECH 115 grain. I used equal amounts of each .I couldn't get the bolt to fail. When I was doing the testing a crowd gathered since it’s not popular for people to shoot full auto in this area. One guy said he owned a swd m11 and commented that he could not tell the difference between the rate of fire from original bolt and the one being tested. So I let one mag rip with the coffee freak bolt and one rip with factory bolt and let me tell you everyone freaked out, including me. I had not shot the factory bolt in forever. All I can say after my experience today is AWESOME AWESOME and AWESOME
:wiggle

Top upper: Masterpiece Arms (side cocker 6”)
Middle upper: USMACHIINE (side cocker)
Lower upper: Factory Upper SWD M11
Bottom: Coffee Freak bolt

Nice review Negpos! Did you see the mods coffee did to the side cocking knob and plate on his upper? Freaking gorgeous! Are you using an optic? That a CF grip assembly? Looks different then mine.

 

[bigmacster]

Um someone suggested that a while back...

From what I gather it wasn't possible before because the 95% tungsten was a little too heavy and hard to make an entire bolt out of. With the military and some firearms manufacturers interested to see if it can be incorporated into some weapons it's worth it for the people making the alloy to make up a batch of 90% tungsten/steel alloy and that puts it right in the weight ballpark and hardness for a complete bolt.

Going to be cool to see this.

 

[CoffeeFreak]

Today I was able to test my new Coffee Freak bolt. The following was my experience .I was only able to shoot 400 rounds thru it because of being limited in time. The bolt ran perfectly. I used the bolt on the following uppers a Masterpiece Arms (side cocker 6”), USMACHIINE (side cocker) and a factory upper (swd m11). There were no hiccups the bolt ran freakin amazing .The rate of fire is awesome. The gun is very controllable and I was able to get good groups. The biggest thing for me was being able to pull singles out the factory length upper. I watched videos of coffee freak shooting it however it’s not the same experiencing it for one’s self. During the testing I rotated the following mags the factory Zytel, Recon Ordnance converted Argentine pam-2 magazines, and Shockwave magazine. I tried four different types of ammo FIOCCHI 9MM 115 grain , PMC BRONZE 115 grain, WINCHESTER 115 grain, MAG TECH 115 grain. I used equal amounts of each .I couldn't get the bolt to fail. When I was doing the testing a crowd gathered since it’s not popular for people to shoot full auto in this area. One guy said he owned a swd m11 and commented that he could not tell the difference between the rate of fire from original bolt and the one being tested. So I let one mag rip with the coffee freak bolt and one rip with factory bolt and let me tell you everyone freaked out, including me. I had not shot the factory bolt in forever. All I can say after my experience today is AWESOME AWESOME and AWESOME
:wiggle

Top upper: Masterpiece Arms (side cocker 6”)
Middle upper: USMACHIINE (side cocker)
Lower upper: Factory Upper SWD M11
Bottom: Coffee Freak bolt

That's so cool! To them you were like a "bad Ass" movie star :m16s

 

[negpos]

Yes...starting negpos and special guest the coffee freak bolt.