New to Galil's need help

[brown-j002]

Ohio Rapid Fire (ORF) is notoriously known for out of spec receivers, and improper heat treatment. They can be made into nice clone but usually require some work. I have a Blackthorne kit on an ORF receiver that was gone through by the Firing Line in Oklahoma. I have over $1800 bucks in it unfortunately, so consider yourself lucky for finding such a deal. I see no evidence of yours being ORF.

 

[gbfirearmsales]

With the small hole on the left, it is then not an ORF receiver but, one thing is clear...

It is not a Springfield Armory rifle is it? Can we agree that it is aftermarket, third party engraving done on that rifle to create the illusion of a factory Springfield?

 

[Mr Folgers]

Extra pictures would help of course, but I'm going to venture a guess that is an IMI receiver. I have never seen an ORF with the area for a scope mount milled correctly such as this one. As for the markings, I have no idea. As for price, I'll just say I have much more in ARM clone.

Like i said, it looks like a custom job to me. If the receiver is modified, the scope mount could have been apart of job as well. I realize that's a bit of a long-shot, but who knows. I've heard stranger stories

 

[itsa_ss]

Sorry Guys I didnt get a chance to take new pictures. I had taken these the other day, that might help a little more. I will get more pictures up and a little better quality.

The only thing that really concerns is this rifle legal?

Thanks for all the replys I was really lost before.

 

[gbfirearmsales]

Need to see the inside of the rifle, top view with cover removed and need to see if the fire control parts have been changed to US made, if the pistol grip or foreward handguard is US made etc. to know if the rifle is legal under 922r.

That muzzlebrake is not factory IMI is it?

 

[mrf2]

I would bet this is one of the last Springfield imports, note the neutered muzzle device and bayonet lug. Maybe even built with a stripped receiver?

You want to know for sure? Call Springfield. They told me the year and month my SAR8 was imported. The customer service number is on their website, they should be able to give you some info about how it was brought in, if it was one of theirs.

 

[gixxerjockey]

Springfield used a steel threaded 5/8" sleave to cover the barrel threads, not what you see here. That was added.

 

[itsa_ss]

That muzzlebrake is not factory IMI is it?

no, im not sure what it is yet either.

 

[gbfirearmsales]

no, im not sure what it is yet either.

...from here it looks like a parkerized 1/2 inch or maybe 3/4 inch socket......lol

 

[CaptainPhil]

it almost looks like a brake from a FAL. I have a similar looking one on my IMBEL.

My question is DOES IT SHOOT? If it shoots well and reliably, and if YOU are happy with it and think you got a deal, so what? At the very least you have a wonderful conversation piece that is (hopefully) very accurate, at best you got a kick-ass deal.

I would call Springfield just to see if you can get more information on it, just for that conversation part.

Phil

 

[Realnutjob]

I'm not following the logic here. If it is not a real Springfield rifle, what was the reason to create it? A kit in that kind of shape would run about 7 to 9 hundred dollars or more, any receiver at least 3 to 4 hundred, assembly and refinishing a few hundred more. So the profit in this rifle is anywhere from losing a couple of hundred to alot more. Someone goes through all this effort and then, does supposely the engraving incorrectly? I think that's harder to believe then it's a Springfield rifle. I'm sure anything is possible, but, this being a clone, I don't think so. It looks like a real nice rifle, if it shoots great, you have a winner.

 

[Ugh!]

Trigger looks like the standard Galil trigger not US made.

 

[gbfirearmsales]

I'm not following the logic here. If it is not a real Springfield rifle, what was the reason to create it? A kit in that kind of shape would run about 7 to 9 hundred dollars or more, any receiver at least 3 to 4 hundred, assembly and refinishing a few hundred more. So the profit in this rifle is anywhere from losing a couple of hundred to alot more. Someone goes through all this effort and then, does supposely the engraving incorrectly? I think that's harder to believe then it's a Springfield rifle. I'm sure anything is possible, but, this being a clone, I don't think so. It looks like a real nice rifle, if it shoots great, you have a winner.

Depends.... If the guy had an old ARM kit laying around, he may have paid $200 for it a while back, got an aftermarket receiver for $300, engrave it for $100, sandblast, park and paint for $150 or so, and he'd have a fake springfield for $700 or $750 and perhaps hoped to make $2k or more..but ended up selling for $1200. Can't always assume the maker paid current going rates on the parts to make the rifle.

 

[Mr Folgers]

Depends.... If the guy had an old ARM kit laying around, he may have paid $200 for it a while back, got an aftermarket receiver for $300, engrave it for $100, sandblast, park and paint for $150 or so, and he'd have a fake springfield for $700 or $750 and perhaps hoped to make $2k or more..but ended up selling for $1200. Can't always assume the maker paid current going rates on the parts to make the rifle.

I agree.

On top of there being a gap in value, there is also that of the legal standpoint. Someone engraves Springfield's name on a fake rifle, there are severe consequences for something such as that, especially since it is an American company.

The guy holding that rifle could pay for a lot more than just $1250.

 

[Jager]

Anyone who has an interest in firearms quickly learns that what was once paid for a weapon has little to do with it's present value. If it was mine, I'd have called Springfield Armory upon delivery or before. SA has their act together, I'd bet an answer is just a phone call away.

 

[Ugh!]

Does the serial number on the topcover match the receiver?

Does the hammer pin extend far enough from the receiver to act as a stop for the selector.

These are typically true for semi galils that were imported as complete guns.

 

[gbfirearmsales]

I agree.

On top of there being a gap in value, there is also that of the legal standpoint. Someone engraves Springfield's name on a fake rifle, there are severe consequences for something such as that, especially since it is an American company.

The guy holding that rifle could pay for a lot more than just $1250.

I don't think Springfield would go after the owner unless the owner is the one who did the engraving.

 

[Realnutjob]

Depends.... If the guy had an old ARM kit laying around, he may have paid $200 for it a while back, got an aftermarket receiver for $300, engrave it for $100, sandblast, park and paint for $150 or so, and he'd have a fake springfield for $700 or $750 and perhaps hoped to make $2k or more..but ended up selling for $1200. Can't always assume the maker paid current going rates on the parts to make the rifle.

That's a lot of assuming there. That really looks like an old $200 kit? OK, I guess. But, the parts to change it to semi-auto back whenever, must have been given away and machine work also. Clones of anything are around because there is money in doing them. Much more money and easier in cloning FAL's. I don't see the money in this, sorry.

 

[gbfirearmsales]

That's a lot of assuming there. That really looks like an old $200 kit? OK, I guess. But, the parts to change it to semi-auto back whenever, must have been given away and machine work also. Clones of anything are around because there is money in doing them. Much more money and easier in cloning FAL's. I don't see the money in this, sorry.

Back a few years ago, a $200 or $300 kit was nice. Sandblast and refinish and it would look great. What parts are you talking about to change it to semi auto? As far as actual parts, other than leaving out the autosear I don't see any machine work to turn a an auto parts kit into semiauto on a Galil or AK..what am I missing here?

My point in the past post was that we don't know when the rifle was built, so assuming someone paid $800 for a nice looking parts kit can be way off, if the builder bought the kit 10 years ago and built the rifle 10 years ago. It may have been very much worth it for him or her to clone the rifle, depending on when they did it.

If the owner will pop the top cover off, and remove the bolt carrier and gas tube and show photos from the top, it is easier to see how the gas tube slot is milled, and how the rear cover slot is milled as well as into the locking lug area etc. and such. It would be easier to see if it looks like IMI work of aftermarket. Regardless, something I have said before and I will repeat now. If the owner is happy with the rifle, how it looks, shoots and such...and he could not afford to drop $2k on a factory built IMI, then this rifle is in fact a good deal for him.

 

[devoeski]

It's not an Orf,Orf golani sporter are safe position forward fire position back. This is opposite. However isn't it possible this is authentic IMI but changed because its not 922 and therefore illegal?